On my hardware I have not to disable that plugin with non of mine or tested files from others who had problems with it. Also has the last update a sort of learning function that uses by problems the compound plugin.
So who is to blame and must a compagny warn you to disable things if people (probably) have not the right equipment?

Good question. But my system has held under all versions of Sony Vegas since 7 and VP14, so surly my hardware is not to blame. I also helped many users here with their hardware to achieve better performance in previous versions. Again, don’t make statements that don’t hold up, especially at your age.

You enter into an agreement for Adobe CC or Vegas Pro 365, knowing the terms. With ransomware as described by that Wikipedia type of definition (i.e. malware like WannaCry), you don't.

But not with Vegas 14. We were promised a full version and instead got a semi perpetual one (thanks for the term JN_). I think the 365 version indicates the writing is on the wall for the future direction of Vegas. Does anyone know the answer to the question about Vegas 13. Can the pre-Magix version be registered and will it keep going without further phoning home? Thanks.

"I can't find details of that offering on the web (even via here and here), but that sounds like a remarkably generous model. "

Perhaps Xara has changed their model since then as I have moved onto Wordpress. But recently I needed to open a Xara Web Designer project to retrieve some information and I was able to download the version up to the point when my one year subscription expired. There are a number of companies that use this type of subscription model. One year of updates than no more after expiration but you get to continue to use the product frozen at that point. If you want to continue with updates you have to buy another years subscription. If Adobe had used that reasonable model I would have continued with them.

On another note... happy to hear Gary say there is an AMD update coming as I find Vegas 15 and my Radeon RX 480 card very problematic. When I initially bought the card it was recommended as one of the most stable now 75% of my render attempts hard crash Vegas immediately and preview to secondary monitor has been a real mess.

Perhaps Xara has changed their model since then as I have moved onto Wordpress. But recently I needed to open a Xara Web Designer project to retrieve some information and I was able to download the version up to the point when my one year subscription expired. There are a number of companies that use this type of subscription model. One year of updates than no more after expiration but you get to continue to use the product frozen at that point. If you want to continue with updates you have to buy another years subscription. If Adobe had used that reasonable model I would have continued with them.

That is a model I would subscribe to as well.

Another generation and "ownership" will be a thing of the past. Everything will be by subscription, rental or lease. Except, of course the business providing the service. They will retain "ownership." Perhaps we'll all just buy a membership to play in the system ;-)

-- tom

Why do some say Vegas Pro ownership is "semi perpetual"??

Isn't it true that if I buy Vegas Pro 15 it will work indefinately (forever)?

As I understand it, the software tries to "call home" now and then to check that there is nothing wrong with the licencing, but as long as there is nothing wrong the software will just continue to work. Right? And if it fails to make a connection with "home" it will also continue to work, right? It is only if it calls home and it is discovered that the license has been tampered with, or something, that it will disable the software.

Am I right or wrong here? If I am right it is a perpetual license, not semi perpetual.

Martin

Why do some say Vegas Pro ownership is "semi perpetual"??

Isn't it true that if I buy Vegas Pro 15 it will work indefinately (forever)?

As I understand it, the software tries to "call home" now and then to check that there is nothing wrong with the licencing, but as long as there is nothing wrong the software will just continue to work. Right? And if it fails to make a connection with "home" it will also continue to work, right? It is only if it calls home and it is discovered that the license has been tampered with, or something, that it will disable the software.

Am I right or wrong here? If I am right it is a perpetual license, not semi perpetual.

Martin

Your summary is accurate, Martin. I can confirm that: It is a perpetual license.

Good! Thanks for that confirmation.

Why do some say Vegas Pro ownership is "semi perpetual"??

Isn't it true that if I buy Vegas Pro 15 it will work indefinately (forever)?

As I understand it, the software tries to "call home" now and then to check that there is nothing wrong with the licencing, but as long as there is nothing wrong the software will just continue to work. Right? And if it fails to make a connection with "home" it will also continue to work, right? It is only if it calls home and it is discovered that the license has been tampered with, or something, that it will disable the software.

Am I right or wrong here? If I am right it is a perpetual license, not semi perpetual.

Well, users have reported that if you are not connected at the time Vegas needs to check it’s license status, it will not allow you to save your work and crash. That crash seems to be related to the codecs that are checking their licensing status. I am sure one of the users that has reported this problem will chime in here. But yes, as long as Vegas can verify it’s licensing status it will keep on working.

“And if it fails to make a connection with "home" it will also continue to work, right?”

If this is true then its perpetual, if its not true then its semi perpetual.

At this moment in time MathiasH says it is true.

In the winter time I don’t use my PC much, its out the back in a shed, I use my laptop mostly.

I just checked a few minutes ago when the last symantec update was done to get some idea of when it was last online, (there are probably better ways to check that I don’t know of) 24th-Oct-2017.

I have now run vp 13, 14 and 15 on that PC without any issues, it’s still offline.

Here is a repost of one of the users findings:

Peter_P wrote on 11/4/2017, 3:44 AM

I did a real-time test with Vegas pro 14 B270 that ended today. As already stated here, my PC is always disconnected from the internet unless Vegas request connection.

Today on the 04.Nov.2107 it happened again with my Vp14 B270. I had the same situation as on the 03.Oct.2017 when I edited (shorting some events)  an existing project which worked fine. But when I tried to save it, I got the same message shown and attached here

and the project was empty and all my recent work was gone. My MAGIX account states for Vp14 : ‘ latest activation 03.Oct.2017’ - this silent activation happened when I started Vp14 on the 03.Oct.2017 with the PC connected to the Internet, to overcome the problem of Vp14 being unusable.

So it is one month after which Vp14 starts to become unusable when it has no chance to connect to the internet. The really bad thing in this ‘no license’ situation  is, that Vp14 can be started, allows you to do your work, that is all lost when you try to save it and thereby becomes unusable. At least Vp14 should come up with his message on start.This situation must come up, else the activated Vegas on the PC could never get the information, that it had been deactivated in the users MAGIX account to be used on an other PC. The only solution to this connection request, I see, is to allow this deactivation only from the running program.I hope the team will provide a fix to this situation even though Vp14 development is terminated.

Thanks

Peter

And a link to the thread.

@OldSmoke After he posted this, Peter got an answer from the support (in his support ticket) and in the posted thread Eric told everyone this:

For those experiencing the "There is no license to use this software" error message, please create a support ticket so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. https://support2.magix.com/customer/vegas

Please include the app name, version number, build, and serial number when creating the ticket.

Please, we can just advice you to follow the instructions from the support to analyze or fix unwanted behaviour like this.

Well, users have reported that if you are not connected at the time Vegas needs to check it’s license status, it will not allow you to save your work and crash.

Again, these are instances where we have to troubleshoot individually.

So what some uses have experienced is a bug, nothing less nothing more. And bugs can get fixed. It does not mean that the software is designed to behave like that. Hence, VP is perpetual.

@OldSmoke After he posted this, Peter got an answer from the support (in his support ticket) and in the posted thread Eric told everyone this:

For those experiencing the "There is no license to use this software" error message, please create a support ticket so we can assist you in troubleshooting the issue. https://support2.magix.com/customer/vegas

Please include the app name, version number, build, and serial number when creating the ticket.

Please, we can just advice you to follow the instructions from the support to analyze or fix unwanted behaviour like this.

Well, users have reported that if you are not connected at the time Vegas needs to check it’s license status, it will not allow you to save your work and crash.

Again, these are instances where we have to troubleshoot individually.

And have you found the problem?

So what some uses have experienced is a bug, nothing less nothing more. And bugs can get fixed. It does not mean that the software is designed to behave like that. Hence, VP is perpetual.

I am sure it can be fixed but will that user get an update for VP14 or will he have to pay for a new version upgrade?

@OldSmoke After he posted this, Peter got an answer from the support (in his support ticket) and in the posted thread Eric told everyone this:

@VEGAS_CommunityManager

But, as you probably know, this did not solve the problem. Vp14 needs to be reactivated by  a start with the internet connected every month. And this is what I had to do for all my systems running Vp14 and Vp15.

So if there is no internet connection for more than a month, projects can no longer be saved and Vegas terminates if you try to without any warning.

Yes, this can be seen as a bug that needs to be fixed in Vp14 and Vp15.

This offline operation get more and more important to protect the working system against unwanted patches as the last one from Intel that now has been withdrawn.

@OldSmoke After he posted this, Peter got an answer from the support (in his support ticket) and in the posted thread Eric told everyone this:

@VEGAS_CommunityManager

But, as you probably know, this did not solve the problem. Vp14 needs to be reactivated by  a start with the internet connected every month. And this is what I had to do for all my systems running Vp14 and Vp15.

So if there is no internet connection for more than a month, projects can no longer be saved and Vegas terminates if you try to without any warning.

Yes, this can be seen as a bug that needs to be fixed in Vp14 and Vp15.

This offline operation get more and more important to protect the working system against unwanted patches as the last one from Intel that now has been withdrawn.

 

Interesting.

I personally don't mind subscription models, as long as the pricing is comparable to buying a perpetual license. It makes the cost of entry much less of a hit to my wallet. For instance, I'd never be able to afford Premiere, After Effects, and Illustrator (as well as a bunch of other Adobe stuff) if I didn't subscribe for the $50/mo.

People complain about them not having the resources to tackle fixing bugs and such in a timely fashion, or to add requested new features... if this gives them the resources to do so, I'm all for it, as long as they don't price themselves out of the market doing so and continue to offer perpetual licenses.

I'm also glad they didn't rush update 3 out like they did update 2, which in some cases caused new problems and didn't do much to fix the old ones, especially the more annoying ones like so4compoundplug.dll. We've told them we'd rather they took the time to get the updates right, and take the time to fix old bugs before introducing new features (and making sure not to introduce new bugs in the process). If a bit more time brings us that, all the better.

Also, subscription models give people who may not use that software year round the option to pay less to use it when they need it. I'm not among those, but none the less, if them giving more options opens Vegas up to more people, and gives them more revenue, Vegas gets better as a result, and we all benefit.

So, let's see how this turns out before breaking out the pitch forks and torches.

Imagine, you started a project in VP365(14), using some of the previously included 3rd party plugins. Half a year later, your annual subscription changes your VP365(14) into (15) and you no longer have some plugins that were previously working (and included in your project), lost some vital functionality (timecode for XAVC-S, XAVC-S selective rendering, export&roundtrip with Davinci,...).

Since you purchased a subscription and the current Version [perpetual and otherwise] is now 15, VP14 is no longer supported or available to purchase from Magix...

How do you get your initial VP365(14) project to work, as promised, unless you can retain a version VP365(14) on your system, in parallel with 15, as I can do this now, with both perpetual 14/15?

Funnily, current EULA says:

2.3 With regard to updates and features delivered within the scope of the MAGIX update guarantee, the following applies: The license for updates and features delivered within the 12 months after initial registration of the MAGIX product is limited to the installation(s) in place at the point when the 12-month period expires. If the update guarantee is extended beyond the 12-month period, this limitation does not apply.

If I was cheekey, I would say that I should be able to receive upgrades for my perpetual, even if it means being a newer version, if it's within the 12 month timeframe, As outside the 12 months I won't be getting any updates....hence we already living a defacto subscription model; , And that's part of the problem, that VP15 release was calendar driven, premature, bug riddled, no real improvement, and a money waster. Plus it came with an unexpected loss of plugins...

That said, I would agree to a subscription model where

1. I can retain all the versions in a perpetual manner in working order on my harddrive (if I previously owned a perpetual version),

2. Above must be true for all versions that I purchase during the subscription process, and their respective plugins (if they are version-locked)

3. I have an ability to 'Save As' in a previous version of VP to maintain backward compatibility for projects (for functionality reasons)

4. Magix must not bundle 3rd party products that are knowingly version-locked by default. Maybe Magix can consider a model where certain elements/features [perpetual 3rd party plugins, or advanced Vegas native plugins] are 'unlocked' through an extra 'addon' payment

Funnily, current EULA says:

2.3 With regard to updates and features delivered within the scope of the MAGIX update guarantee, the following applies: The license for updates and features delivered within the 12 months after initial registration of the MAGIX product is limited to the installation(s) in place at the point when the 12-month period expires. If the update guarantee is extended beyond the 12-month period, this limitation does not apply.

If I was cheekey, I would say that I should be able to receive upgrades for my perpetual, even if it means being a newer version, if it's within the 12 month timeframe, As outside the 12 months I won't be getting any updates....hence we already living a defacto subscription model;...

VEGAS software isn't covered by the MAGIX Update Guarantee (now called Update Service).

The Plugins The bundled are not current.

Is you do Subscriptions you need to do subscriptions for the plugins as well.

For Example Subscription for BorrisFX.

The Plugins The bundled are not current.

Is you do Subscriptions you need to do subscriptions for the plugins as well.

For Example Subscription for BorrisFX.

@JesusSheep Which plugins bundled in VEGAS Pro 365 are not current?

I think it would be difficult for Magix to offer subscriptions for other companies' products. We have already been told that the 3rd-party plugins have a perpetual license. Boris FX is not part of the VEGAS Pro 365 subscription. If you want a Boris FX subscription you should contact Boris FX.