Release VEGAS Pro 365 - General Discussion

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AVsupport wrote on 1/24/2018, 3:21 PM
VEGAS software isn't covered by the MAGIX Update Guarantee (now called Update Service).

Why do you think that?

The EULA I was copying from is from http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/gb/eula/ > choose 'Vegas Pro', this is what you get. So, either

The link is wrong, or the information is misleading.

/edit: right then, so why not include Vegas into the Update Guarantee cycle then, call it '360', and be done with it?

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my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

AVsupport wrote on 1/24/2018, 3:36 PM

Magix would be wise to remember that a lot of their customers (of which there is probably a sizeable number of Sony users) chose Vegas as a viable alternative to Adobe, because of affordability, and a non-cloudy perpetual software that doesn't auto-expire. Yes, Adobe has seen record profits, but not a lot of innovation, and there's now more and more Lightroom alternatives as there ever was. If Magix continues to develop a good product (which in-principle i am supporting), then it will remain a successful alternative. But copying the behated business model IMO could remove this advantage and might make loyal customers to look for some other Magic..

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/25/2018, 5:36 AM

Currently, Vegas Pro 15 cannot be used on my system for multiple reasons. And those reasons are bugs in Vegas Pro 15 that Vegas Pro 14 does not have! I will not get into the reasons here because I want to present a question and make a point while not cluttering up this thread with off-topic problems.

 

If I had never used Vegas Pro before and if I were to subscribe and get Vegas Pro 15 and then I find out that it cannot be used on my system and then while reading the forum, I find that some others here were using Vegas Pro 14 because they also cannot run Vegas Pro 15 on their systems, would I THEN be able to download Vegas Pro 14 and use it instead while Magix works on the Vegas Pro 15 bugs?

 

Would I then get a partial refund of the subscription price being Vegas Pro 15 that I subscribed to does not work on my system and I had to use Vegas Pro 14 without the benefits of Vegas Pro 15?

 

After all, it would not be my fault that Vegas Pro 15 does not work on my system because of the bugs it has and I had to use Vegas Pro 14 to be able to get my work done.

 

www.dannyleefye.com

 

I would think that Vegas 365!has a trial period too and you would know very fast whether it works on your system or not and if no alternative is offered you buy a different product.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

walter-i. wrote on 1/25/2018, 6:01 AM

If I had never used Vegas Pro before and if I were to subscribe and get Vegas Pro 15 and then I find out that it cannot be used on my system and then while reading the forum, I find that some others here were using Vegas Pro 14 because they also cannot run Vegas Pro 15 on their systems, would I THEN be able to download Vegas Pro 14 and use it instead while Magix works on the Vegas Pro 15 bugs?

 

Would I then get a partial refund of the subscription price being Vegas Pro 15 that I subscribed to does not work on my system and I had to use Vegas Pro 14 without the benefits of Vegas Pro 15?

 

After all, it would not be my fault that Vegas Pro 15 does not work on my system because of the bugs it has and I had to use Vegas Pro 14 to be able to get my work done.

 

www.dannyleefye.com

 

Do you think any other manufacturer would do this ?
Please stay realistic.
You also have the trial period, as OldSmoke says - you don't buy a pig in a poke.

AVsupport wrote on 1/25/2018, 6:10 AM

once a new version gets released, you can trial, yes. If it doesn't work as expected (buggy) you would not buy, sit on your old version and wait for an update. Then, your Trial has expired and you don't know, as you cannot re-trial. In my case, I wanted the new Hitfilm/ignite. Turns out it only runs on the new Vegas, unlike the previous version that supported both 14 and 15. So you're kinda forced to upgrade double-whammy only to realize that most of the stuff I care about doesn't work anymore. I'm just glad I own a proper VP14 and not a 365 otherwise I wouldn't know what to do if I have to go back to a previous release for various reasons. Ps maybe we should consider VP15 as trialware also until those pesky bugs are fixed..??

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

walter-i. wrote on 1/25/2018, 8:31 AM

After all the discussions, the benefits of the full version outweigh for me. I will stay with the full version, as long as it (and me) still exist.
All the uncertainties with the plugins, the uncertainities to go back to a former version, by approxamately the same price, I think, the full version is better for me.
What I would have been very interested in - would have been the webinars.
But - you can not have everything in the world......

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Camcorder: Pana HDC SD909, Sony FDR-AX53
Hardware: P8Z77-V LE Plus Vers.0910, Core i7-2600K 3,4 GHz, 16 GB Ram, Radeon HD 6870, SSD 250 GB, W7 HP 64
NLE: Vegas Pro11-15, Heroglyph4, RespeedR

neillerm wrote on 1/28/2018, 12:09 PM

Hello guys, may I ask, I bought VP15, and running it on my main machine and a "render" PC... will Vegas365 also run on 2 machines if you subscribe to one license? Thanx

jmnvideo wrote on 1/29/2018, 2:03 PM

"I can't find details of that offering on the web (even via here and here), but that sounds like a remarkably generous model. "

Perhaps Xara has changed their model since then as I have moved onto Wordpress. But recently I needed to open a Xara Web Designer project to retrieve some information and I was able to download the version up to the point when my one year subscription expired. There are a number of companies that use this type of subscription model. One year of updates than no more after expiration but you get to continue to use the product frozen at that point. If you want to continue with updates you have to buy another years subscription. If Adobe had used that reasonable model I would have continued with them.

On another note... happy to hear Gary say there is an AMD update coming as I find Vegas 15 and my Radeon RX 480 card very problematic. When I initially bought the card it was recommended as one of the most stable now 75% of my render attempts hard crash Vegas immediately and preview to secondary monitor has been a real mess.

I have the same issue with my Vegas 15 and RX480 card, and I also bought the card because it was recommended at the time. I am looking forward to the next update, and hopefully a solution. I find that if I simply move my mouse too fast as I have always done with Vegas in the past, it will cause the project to hang up and/or crash. I am a long time user since V4 and never had this happen before.

marc-s wrote on 1/29/2018, 10:35 PM

Thanks jmnvideo for confirming this. These problems are driving me nuts as I can't get my work done efficiantly! I've already switched over to Resolve for some of my editing but Vegas is still really nice for certain projects. Hope they solve this but who knows...

Martin L wrote on 1/31/2018, 3:02 AM

I would be surprised if there will be a trial period to the 360 subscription, since anyone can download the current version of Vegas and try it for free for 30 days without purchase nor subscription. So if one wants to try it out, just download and try it for 30 days. After that one can either purchase the perpetual version or hop on the 360 subscription. No need for further trial of the software, because it is the same. Only the 3rd party plugins differ.

bob-h wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:03 AM

I would be surprised if there will be a trial period to the 360 subscription, since anyone can download the current version of Vegas and try it for free for 30 days without purchase nor subscription. So if one wants to try it out, just download and try it for 30 days.

Vegas doesn't allow you to load projects from more current versions with an older version. Vegas360 is VP14, but Full version is VP15. In this situation a person trialing VP15 would lose all their work when moving to Vegas360.

(as I understand it)

vkmast wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:07 AM

From the product pages: "VEGAS Pro 365: Always work with the latest version".

Martin L wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:32 AM

Vegas360 is VP14, but Full version is VP15. In this situation a person trialing VP15 would lose all their work when moving to Vegas360.

(as I understand it)

No, Vegas 360 is 15, not 14. And when 16 comes 360 turns 16 too.

fifonik wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:43 AM

Just curious, if I'm on VP365's subscription (VP15 installed right now) and tomorrow VP16 is released..

- Will VP365 ask me if I'd like to install VP16 and allow me to postpone the update?

- Will VP365 automatically uninstall VP15 and install VP16? (admin access or user confirmation could be required for this and user might not agree... will VP365 stop working completely then?)

- Will VP365 automatically install VP15 without uninstalling VP15 and let me choose what I'd like to use for my projects that I'm currently working on?

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B350M PRO-VDH, CPU: AMD Ryzen 1600, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 2400, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1809

NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Martin L wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:49 AM

Good question. Only Magix can give the answer, I guess.

vkmast wrote on 1/31/2018, 5:58 AM

And Vegas 360 is actually Vegas Pro 365.

fifonik wrote on 1/31/2018, 6:03 AM

Well, I thought this is obvious as we are all in "Release VEGAS Pro 365" topic :)

P.S. Anyway, I edited my previous question and changed V365 to VP365.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X920

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NLE: Vegas Pro 11, 12, 13, 15

Martin L wrote on 1/31/2018, 6:08 AM

Ooops.... Well, I knew that... I just wanted to see if you were awake.... 😄

vkmast wrote on 1/31/2018, 10:40 AM

http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro-365/ has the VEGAS Pro 365 FAQ section that answers at least some of fifonik's questions.

There's obviously more in the relevant product pages.

Brandigan wrote on 2/1/2018, 4:13 AM

There is always going to be a problem when something 'expires', or changes to not be backwardly compatible with a previous version when the payment model changes. And no one wants to have to buy two pieces of software "just to be safe". The 365 model will fall flat on it's backside as it currently stands, because people can do basic maths and see it's too much of a risk as currently explained.

There are two fairly simple solutions.
1) Major Version numbering in Vegas Project files to stop at 15. For 365 and VP (Year X). Add an extra field that will not be read by current versions of VP15 that start at 1 for VP 16, 2 for VP17 etc. So by VP18 we're at version 15+3, or have a second field with just 16,17,18 in it. Either one works.

This will allow all subsequent versions of VP (yearly and 365) from VP 15 onwards to work with any future versions of project files. As unless a new feature is added that drastically changes the program's functions: all tweaks, and fixes are under the hood and should not be something that the project files rely on to function. Hover scrubbing, icon colours, options toggles etc. have nothing to do with the project files. It's all just about media being displayed on the timeline.

If there are any differences, then later versions would use the secondary part of the version number to deal with them when the project is loaded, but what could really break things at this stage of a mature program? I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

2) If you have been running 365 for longer than 12 months, then Magix should give you the option to "buy" (I'll explain how below) an additional non-365 version of the previous 'yearly' version of VP to be used in parallel, or instead of, VP 365. Number of licences to be spread evenly between them (repeat yearly as required).

E.g. If the amount you've paid over 12 months is less than the cost of a full version of VP (year X) then you would pay the difference to get the non-365 version. So, say you pay $400 over a year for VP 365 and VP (X) is $600, then only if you want to, you pay $200 for VP (X) for one of your licences and continue on VP 365 for the other(s).

No discount offers that are currently applied to yearly versions on occasion (Black Friday etc.) would apply in this case. It's the full, 'start of yearly cycle' price you'd be comparing with, or Magix might have to actually refund you money.

So you have the flexibility of knowing you are always up to date with 365, and you have the safety of being able to open old projects - but possibly without some of the latest UI bells and whistles - if you ever cancel your subscription for a reasonable fee. Plus, backwards and forwards compatibility. You could even do this a few years later. I'm sure Magix could send you a code that would turn your non-functioning, expired, 365 version into a normal VP (X) version for an appropriate, reasonable fee. Otherwise you're just a lost customer, and once lost: no coming back.

The way to not lose money for either side is for this to only come into effect after 12 months and, otherwise it would get too complicated if people tried to do it after 2 months and have only paid $50 for subscription and need to then pay $550 for a swap to normal VP (X).

Although, if it worked after a year: never say never. 😉

Also your 'potential credit' would be capped at 12 months, so there is no asking for a completely free VP (X) after 24 months.

Win-win-win-win-win?

Maybe @gary-rebholz could say whether this is a completely preposterous suggestion?

AVsupport wrote on 2/1/2018, 7:09 AM

There will always be Versions. As it's been explained, there will always be outright standalone versions as we have them now. So, in reality, the '365' spin is really only there for the bean counters. Hitfilm has just done similar, by loosing the 'time-endtag' in their version numbering, but when it comes to bug fixing and fault finding, you still need to know what version you're on, so, 6 in their case, 14 or 15 in ours..

On another note, why aren't we seeing 'Vegas Production Assistant Pro' as a 365-addon-option for VP14/15 owners? I would be more interested in extending my functionality rather than risking backward-compatibility issues and plugin auto expiries...

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my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

Brandigan wrote on 2/1/2018, 7:23 AM

Hitfilm has just done similar, by loosing the 'time-endtag' in their version numbering, but when it comes to bug fixing and fault finding, you still need to know what version you're on, so, 6 in their case, 14 or 15 in ours..

Yes, but Hitfilm's version is bonkers. They only have a single version and it continually updates, but you always have access to it after 12 months, even if you stop paying. So they'll lose money once people realise they can extend their upgrade cycles, then hop back in and out of the subscription model only if the 'feature update' that month is worth the trouble. A rod for their own back and fundamentally bad news for them. Great for customers who can easily game the system.

suhaib-siddiqi wrote on 2/1/2018, 9:36 AM

http://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro-365/ has the VEGAS Pro 365 FAQ section that answers at least some of fifonik's questions.

There's obviously more in the relevant product pages.

"If you end your subscription, your projects are yours to keep"

This is a VERY vague and intentionally misleading sentence. Of course, end users's projects are his/her to keep. No company is going to (and most probably can legally) demand to hand over the projects created with their software.

It does not answer if your project can be opened in VP365 or any other version of Vegas Pro.

Other software companies make it clear in the license agreement that if the subscription license expires, you will not be able to use the software to open projects. As I read terms and conditions, MAGIX wants to make it misleading through vague sentences.

 

gary-rebholz wrote on 2/1/2018, 9:49 AM

It does not answer if your project can be opened in VP365 or any other version of Vegas Pro.

I'm not sure how many times we need to go over this on this thread, but OK...Of course your project can be opened by VP365 or any other version of VEGAS Pro that is the same version or higher than the version it was created in. This is no different than the way it works with perpetual licenses. I'll illustrate with an example. If you use VP 365 version 15 to create a project, and then your subscription expires, you still have the project file. If you try to open that project file with VEGAS Pro 14, it will not open because 14 is older than 15. But if you try to open it with VEGAS Pro 15 or VEGAS Pro 365 version 15 (as long as you've renewed your subscription), it will open. If you later try to open it with a later version (say, VP 16, which to be clear does not yet exist), either the perpetual or 365 version, it will open.

Again, this is no different than how the perpetual versions behave and have always behaved.

And one more time, no one at MAGIX or on the VEGAS team "wants to make it misleading through vague sentences." VEGAS Pro and MAGIX have not stayed in business for the past 20 years by deceiving or tricking customers into buying product. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean someone is trying to cheat you. I suggest you ask for clarification respectfully. Just a thought.