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set wrote on 8/10/2022, 8:38 AM

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fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 8:41 AM

One cool thing about File Drop, collaborators do not have to be on Windows, or even on a computer... any computer, laptop, tablet, or phone can access it and upload media to it regardless of OS. So, if you hire a team of camera operators to cover an event, and they don't get all their media to you before it is over, they can easily send it directly to your timeline regardless of what device they use.

All this collaborations and file drops are the most useless features for professional editors. As PRO suggests.

I can just imagine an editor waiting in front of his monitor for someone to upload a file to the cloud from an iphone so he can start editing new TikTok video.
 

What a nonsense.

 

Congratulations Vegas team, you’re on the right track with all these new “updates”😂😂😂

You're obviously not a professional that works with large crews, then. This feature is a godsend for me and my crew. We have several camera ops that all live in different parts of the country, and our colorist lives on the opposite end of the country as our editor... this brings us all together easily to upload our media to the editor after a job, then collaborate on coloring and motion graphics from there.

But if editing a tik tok video is all you need, no wonder you see no use in it. As pointed out earlier, Resolve, made online collaboration the biggest feature of their newest version. I guess they're "right on track" with their "updates" too? 😂😂😂

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pierre-k wrote on 8/10/2022, 8:43 AM

NORMALIZE BUTTON

If you need to normalize one, max two events then Ok. If you have multiple events, you have to use the traditional right-click method.

Suggestion for improvement:

If you select multiple events, just click the Normalize button for just one event and all selected ones will change.

 

VST3

Please add the VST3 folder to the FX window.

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 8:47 AM

I really would have preferred a modernized multicam workflow without the multicam track and keeping direct access to allt the cam tracks. I really wonder if everybody is happy wih the current implementation… maybe noone does multicam anymore?

I do, and this is something I have been nagging the team about for a while, but it isn't something that is going to be easy to implement, so it'll be a while longer. JetDV has a useful multicam tool you might like, though.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/10/2022, 9:09 AM

I really would have preferred a modernized multicam workflow without the multicam track and keeping direct access to allt the cam tracks. I really wonder if everybody is happy wih the current implementation… maybe noone does multicam anymore?

I've been doing optical sync that way when setting up my multicam projects. Using a timecode display captured on multiple cameras. Just slap up a pip fx window for each. But it would be nice if I could do 1-click cuts that way too.

Former user wrote on 8/10/2022, 9:15 AM

@fr0sty You mentioned hopefully better performance in the future, i hope so 👍

This is one that bugs me a little, some fxs/transitions etc. don't play full fps even after a few loop plays, but building Dynamic RAM is fast & playback is then full fps, Vegas effects & others have Smart caching, why Vegas doesn't seem to cache when Dynamic RAM is quick to do it, there needs to be some kind of auto connection there.

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 9:20 AM

I can't confrim, but a new cache/background render system is something I've heard discussed, so I imagine that is one of the things they are currently working on implementing. I've also heard talk about ways they can allow us to use greater than 8 bit video without the performance hit of going to a 32 bit floating point system, just to name a couple of things I've heard discussed (but in no way is this confirmation of actual plans, so wait until you hear it from them).

They're working hard on it... I've heard multiple times now that new features are taking the back seat to performance improvements, but so much has to be done under the hood to implement them in a way that is stable that it'll take a while for them to get it ready for testing, and even longer to get all the bugs ironed out in the QA process, so hang in there while that process completes, it is coming. I can confirm that 100%.

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Former user wrote on 8/10/2022, 9:40 AM

@fr0sty Thanks lets hope so, many people complain about Vegas's performance (inc me 😉) but from my experience a lot of the software i have needs a 'cache' for it to work at full fps, without that the software's not a huge amount better at playback, the difference being those other software's seem to do it obscurely/automatically whilst playing through the first time or show the caching along the top of the timeline, but Vegas i've had things loop play a dozen times n still no full fps yet adding Dynamic RAM takes seconds & playback is @ full fps is, sorry for repeating myself at the end there 😁👴

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 9:43 AM

Yeah, I've been wanting a background render/cache system in VEGAS since I saw it in FCP back in 2016, it really does make a big difference.

relaxvideo wrote on 8/10/2022, 10:47 AM

Is it possible to mark individual fx/transitions as favourites? Not the whole category, just the exact one what i like.
Honestly, i only use max 10 from all the default transitions, so i like to see them in a window, and not see any which isn't my favourite.

At render panel when the free space is low and i delete some big files while rendering is in progress, the free space won't update. It will be nice to see space in realtime.

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fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 10:51 AM

Just the category for now, though maybe there's a script that can get around that.

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RealityStudio wrote on 8/10/2022, 12:26 PM

Just installed Vegas 20, do you guys know if there is anything special needed to get Voukoder working with V20? I reinstalled the app and connector for it just in case, but it still only seems to appear as a render option on V19 and not on V20.

j-v wrote on 8/10/2022, 12:55 PM

Just installed Vegasvoukoder-11.msi 20, do you guys know if there is anything special needed to get Voukoder working with V20? I reinstalled the app and connector for it just in case, but it still only seems to appear as a render option on V19 and not on V20.

If you have installed "voukoder-11.msi" and "vegas18-connector-1.2.0.msi" it might not be a problem. With me Voukoder shows up in the rendertemplates

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Seb-o wrote on 8/10/2022, 2:38 PM

One cool thing about File Drop, collaborators do not have to be on Windows, or even on a computer... any computer, laptop, tablet, or phone can access it and upload media to it regardless of OS. So, if you hire a team of camera operators to cover an event, and they don't get all their media to you before it is over, they can easily send it directly to your timeline regardless of what device they use.

All this collaborations and file drops are the most useless features for professional editors. As PRO suggests.

I can just imagine an editor waiting in front of his monitor for someone to upload a file to the cloud from an iphone so he can start editing new TikTok video.
 

What a nonsense.

 

Congratulations Vegas team, you’re on the right track with all these new “updates”😂😂😂

You're obviously not a professional that works with large crews, then. This feature is a godsend for me and my crew. We have several camera ops that all live in different parts of the country, and our colorist lives on the opposite end of the country as our editor... this brings us all together easily to upload our media to the editor after a job, then collaborate on coloring and motion graphics from there.

But if editing a tik tok video is all you need, no wonder you see no use in it. As pointed out earlier, Resolve, made online collaboration the biggest feature of their newest version. I guess they're "right on track" with their "updates" too? 😂😂😂

In both of these comments there's a bit of snark. Fr0sty, do you really have the need to "hit back" ?? You're a moderator, after all. "You're obviously not a.....(whatever comes next, doesn't matter, it's the "you're not"..part...)" oh, obviously not a professional...""..that's not the moderators job to put people in check, (maybe not your intent, but again, the opening phrase is a bit loaded) not in my experience. How about expressing that with litte less vinegar? (I should talk, right? ahahaha) Maybe you should start with..."have you considered the idea that there are professional crews that are using these sorts of tools daily....?

I'm a professional, and I don't like the idea that a professional product requires that I use a mouse to do slider adjustments (color tools) I mean +/- values for whichever slider, I KNOW, yes, believe me, I KNOW already about the number key pad, that is for specific [add magenta, etc] tasks and not for every slider. IOW no KB assignable +/- AS EXISTS in the old color correction tools. Up arrow/down arrow, how hard is that? (and I'd be quite happy to be shown that I'm very wrong about all of that).....

The ads (Above, and pretty well done actually) remind me of so many ads for sundry software, where it is the "lifestyle" that's being promoted - usually the person is laying back on the couch drinking coffee in one hand, breeze lightly blowing through the sunny window overlooking the ocean, executing the next software power move with the pinky. Ahahaha........Well, "pros" aren't all that impressed with any of that.

I'm sure there are TONS of professionals that would appreciate smooth and fast playback, as opposed to linking to OLD vsts. (32 bridge). So forth and so on.

Vegas is DEFINITELY now targeting a new audience, but please, take care of the existing problems first. And Fr0sty, I'm not unhappy that pros like you have access to some great new tools, I share your enthusiasm there, at least a bit, but many still are shaking their heads at the same time. "FIx audio first." I've never seen Vegas audio, the best in the NLE world, from the beginning till now, as "the problem that needs fixing."

Seb-o wrote on 8/10/2022, 2:39 PM

I should add that I had pre-purchased VP 20, so hoping for the best as always.

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 2:56 PM

My comment was factual... he obviously isn't a professional that works with large crews if he thinks that the only purpose for that feature is making tik tok videos... truth is, he was just bashing VEGAS for the sake of it, as he has been doing for the past several months because he was salty that VEGAS made changes to the color scheme and button set.

"FIx audio first." I've never seen Vegas audio, the best in the NLE world, from the beginning till now, as "the problem that needs fixing."

There are a lot of users who have been begging for an VST overhaul for many years, and because that was a performance enhancement that was easier to accomplish than a full video engine rewrite, it got finished first, even though work on both was proceeding simultaneously. The VST engine prior to now was mostly broken... VST3 didn't work at all, and VST2 barely worked. That was holding back VEGAS from being the king of NLE audio.

 

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Komaryt wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:10 PM

There is no Color Grading effect in Video FX tab. To use my LUTs which I created in V17 I need to right click on every clip and then select Video FX -> Color grading -> and then I need to choose LUT which I used.

I know that there is Adjustment track but for many clips which are from different cameras it is pain in ass to use it and click in which seconds it needs to be at 100% etc...

Before I had clips from Sony camera on other track and from Canon camera on other track and then I select all canon clips -> click and drag created LUT and I had my movie graded in few seconds. Now I see that I need to spend a lot of time at it. For me I think that I would stay at V17 still if that won't be fixed or maybe there is some fix how to make it visible in Video FX tab.

Reyfox wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:27 PM

I just got an email for upgrading to Vegas 20 Edit. So I go and see what's it about.

I see the video, and I must be getting old. It has been a long day for me and I am tired. But I have to wonder who they are now marketing it for. I see a young lady with a cellphone (at least it's in landscape not portrait) on a tripod doing a DIY project. I hear the "hip" music (which I personally loath) and see some "editing" if you want it call it that.. That's it. "Video Editor for Creators".

Yes, I am old. But where are the more "professional / sophisticated" videos that might attract more "professionals"? A nice stylized video showing someone shooting with something other than a cellphone? Using the software to actually show someone actually editing and using the features?

Here is a video of a consumer editor on their launch. Remember, it's a consumer editor so don't be too hard on what it is showing. And...it's 5 years old. But the Split Screen Editor is really nice and easy to use and customize.

I guess Vegas isn't marketed to someone like me.... 😥 I never shoot anything with a cellphone.

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fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:34 PM

There is no Color Grading effect in Video FX tab. To use my LUTs which I created in V17 I need to right click on every clip and then select Video FX -> Color grading -> and then I need to choose LUT which I used.

I know that there is Adjustment track but for many clips which are from different cameras it is pain in ass to use it and click in which seconds it needs to be at 100% etc...

Before I had clips from Sony camera on other track and from Canon camera on other track and then I select all canon clips -> click and drag created LUT and I had my movie graded in few seconds. Now I see that I need to spend a lot of time at it. For me I think that I would stay at V17 still if that won't be fixed or maybe there is some fix how to make it visible in Video FX tab.

You're doing it wrong. There is a button under the timeline that launches the color grading panel. In that panel, on the top right, there's a spot to tell it to affect events, media, tracks, or video bus (master fx channel). Select track, and then select the track on the timeline that you want to get affected by the color grading changes. You'll see the color grading panel light up, and now any changes made to the panel will reflect on all media placed on that track. You no longer have to use LUTs to apply color grading panel adjustments to a track, media, or video bus levels.

Former user wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:43 PM

@Komaryt There is LUT filter, you'll have to click Browse, add each LUT individually & save as using the white sq at the end of the preset box

 

Former user wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:49 PM

@Reyfox (at least it's in landscape not portrait) 🤣🤣 I only film with my phone or a GoPro, but i do it mainly in landscape 👍

Komaryt wrote on 8/10/2022, 3:59 PM

@Komaryt There is LUT filter, you'll have to click Browse, add each LUT individually & save as using the white sq at the end of the preset box

 

yeah but that does not solve a problem.
When I am using color grading menu in which I choose LUTs and in this color grading menu I edit them and after that I save LUTs with changes I don't have that in LUT Filter effect - it is in Color Grading effect which I cannot use from Video FX tab so...
If I will use LUT Filter I will be forced to add Color Grading Effect manually on each clip which is really deadly for me because in projects I have more than 300 clips and add this manually on every clip - that's so bad to use.

Why can't they just add Color Grading effect in Video FX tab I can't understand that... If something was working fine why they keep changing it. I was really hyped when I saw mail that Vegas 20 is released but after 1h of using trial I don't want to buy it... It won't speed up my edit process even if here GPU support works fine when rendering while on V17 there are a lot of bugs with GPU and I cannot render with GPU.

fr0sty wrote on 8/10/2022, 4:02 PM

As I already said, you're using it wrong. Read my post above.