VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 General Discussion

Nick Hope wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:02 AM

VEGAS Pro 15 build 177 has been released.

General discussion in here please. Please make a new post or comment on an existing one for specific issues.

New Features

  • A new MAGIX AVC/AAC codec significantly accelerates encoding on machines that utilize Intel® Quick Sync Video (QSV) technology
  • A new MAGIX AVC/AAC codec significantly accelerates encoding on machines equipped with modern NVIDIA graphics card GPU technology
  • The user can now select from the list of attributes of a copied timeline clip event to specify which attributes will be pasted into a target event
  • ACES 1.0 support enable users to work with the expanded color spaces and dynamic range of modern cameras.
  • More efficient handling of AVC files on the timeline through Intel QSV technology
  • Picture-in-picture OFX plug-in enables the user to perform size and position adjustments of video at any of the four effects levels (including track and event) through parameter adjustment controls and direct interaction with the Video Preview window
  • Crop OFX plug-in enables the user to quickly crop out portions of a video at any of the four effects levels (including track and event) through parameter adjustment controls and direct interaction with the Video Preview window
  • The user can specify which track header buttons and controls appear on tracks and set these (separate for audio and video tracks) as project defaults for all new tracks in the current and new projects. Controls that have been hidden can be accessed through a new "hamburger button" menu
  • LUT Filter OFX plug-in enables the user to apply LUTs to their project at any of the four supported FX levels (event, track, media, and video bus)
  • Redesigned timeline clip events now contain headers to hold important information and buttons and can be customized through the hamburger button/menu system.
  • The user can specify which controls appear in the transport area of both the Trimmer Window and the Video Preview window as project defaults for the current and new projects. Controls that have been hidden can be accessed through a new "hamburger button" menu
  • A simple "one-click" option creates a freeze frame on all selected events touched by the timeline cursor
  • Users can specify one of four options for the shading of the VEGAS Pro interface ranging from very bright to a dark interface
  • Users can define the amount (strength) of color they want shown in their buttons
  • Modern controls enable logical docking and undocking of windows and maximizing windows within a dock
  • A user-friendly and intuitive Render As dialog box makes it easy to understand and specify render options
  • The Share Online option now provides direct render-and-upload operations for YouTube, FaceBook, and Vimeo
  • Optimized default user layout to reduce visual clutter
  • Non-selected timeline clip events are now the same color as the corresponding track header while selected events are white. This (while directly opposite previous behavior) reduces visual "clutter" and the harsh appearance of events, particularly in large projects
  • New layout option enables user to switch back to the VEGAS Pro 14 default layout, including revealing all buttons in the hamburger menu system
  • Updated button glyph for the Record and Arm for Record buttons clarifies the function of these buttons
  • The default Pan type has been changed to Constant Power which is the most logical and expected type
  • Audio notification alerts you when your render is complete for all format types
     

Plus (not officially announced)...

  • Panasonic GH5 10-bit 422 footage now opens correctly
  • The video stream of JVC YUV 4:2:2 footage now decodes correctly
  • iPhone/iPad footage now opens correctly (without requiring Quicktime)
  • "Enable Media Manager" was moved to an internal preference
     

Comments

Master86 wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:05 AM

Vegas Pro 15 is disappointing, no change, always the same codecs in export aside the Magix codec, always limitation for export resolution, no export in 8k, nothing changed ... Disappointing!
I go to Adobe, there is too much, Vegas is really dead since version 13, the suite is really zero. Good luck, you lose a customer who loved vegas once!

Nick Hope wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:18 AM

Vegas Pro 15 is disappointing, no change, always the same codecs in export aside the Magix codec, always limitation for export resolution, no export in 8k, nothing changed ... Disappointing!
I go to Adobe, there is too much, Vegas is really dead since version 13, the suite is really zero. Good luck, you lose a customer who loved vegas once!

What encoders do you need? Why do you need 8k export?

pierre-k wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:19 AM

Simple Transition with two AVC FullHD samples - slowly drops to 4fps.

GPU ON / OFF - No matter.

In V14 is ok!

Please other users to try. Transition is 3 and more seconds.

kingkrued wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:21 AM

Expected something special, improvements and new features but nope, it's just the same old VEGAS with a thin coat of fresh paint. What a letdown. No intuitive composite sequences, output encoders are still the same. I guess MAGIX doesn't want VEGAS to compete with their true flagship NLE, VIDEO PRO X. All they need to do is take the good bits of each and make a monster app, it doesn't make sense why they have to keep both and yet VEGAS is way better but needs some features that are already in VIDEO PRO X.

Marco. wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:24 AM

Checked your GPU settings in Options/Preferences/Video?

On my notebook transitions of 720p50 or 1080p25 MP4/H.264 files run with full frame rate in VP15.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:27 AM

Thanks, Nick, was already following too many threads about VP15 😅

Nick Hope wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:30 AM

Expected something special, improvements and new features but nope, it's just the same old VEGAS with a thin coat of fresh paint. What a letdown. No intuitive composite sequences, output encoders are still the same. I guess MAGIX doesn't want VEGAS to compete with their true flagship NLE, VIDEO PRO X. All they need to do is take the good bits of each and make a monster app, it doesn't make sense why they have to keep both and yet VEGAS is way better but needs some features that are already in VIDEO PRO X.

What features exactly?

kingkrued wrote on 8/28/2017, 4:34 AM

Expected something special, improvements and new features but nope, it's just the same old VEGAS with a thin coat of fresh paint. What a letdown. No intuitive composite sequences, output encoders are still the same. I guess MAGIX doesn't want VEGAS to compete with their true flagship NLE, VIDEO PRO X. All they need to do is take the good bits of each and make a monster app, it doesn't make sense why they have to keep both and yet VEGAS is way better but needs some features that are already in VIDEO PRO X.

What features exactly?

Glovercover created this UI concept that appeals to what I am talking about.

Composite Sequences. All I need is a tab to create another sequence and have all my sequences appear in a smart bin. I can double click on the composite sequence if I need to make changes to it and it opens on the timeline. At the moment, I have to drag a .VEG file into the timeline, which is really not the best workflow.

Jam_One wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:05 AM

(Is that a lot surprising?...)

(Do I really have to say I've got the latest .NET 4.7 installed & operational?...)

((Who were your beta-testers, anyway?))

 

Update:

My sincere thanks go to Marco.
The problem was triggered by Semw Auto Levels OFX plugin.

In case of running into similar trouble -> rename the entire C:\Program Files\Common Files\OFX\Plugins folder -> and then check if Vegas can start.

Last changed by Jam_One on 8/28/2017, 6:08 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

Win 7 Ultimate | Intel i7-4790K @ 4GHz | nVidia GTX 760 4GB * 2

SSD | 32 GB RAM | No Swap file | No Overclock | GPU-in-CPU OFF

t.A.T.u. F.o.R.e.V.e.R.!

 

Robert W wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:06 AM

Now we have the list of features, we can see that this is a tenuous new release at the very best. Selectively pasting event attributes is very welcome, but it is hardly a revolutionary or expensive feature to add. The LUTs is an essential new feature, but it has been some time coming. We already had degrees of support for QSV and GPU support in the codecs, so hopefully this 'new feature' is actually going to having some impact on the editing side of the application. I somehow suspect that it will not mean GPU support for all of the built in plugins or codecs though, and it is listed under 'Hardware/Capture/Export', so I think what we are getting is just a feature that was never delivery properly in earlier versions of Vegas being pushed as an old feature now it (might) work a little better.

'Instant freeze frame creation' - Is that really a new feature worth a chunk of the upgrade price? It is good to have but again, we are not talking about world changing stuff here. The ACES 1.0 support is welcome. Hopefully there is a lot under the hood that is fixed and it is just a bad features document. I would hope that the codec support and performance has radically improved as that is where Vegas really falls over time and again. H265 was absolutely essential for this release, and I would be interested to see what the performance is like.

And has the Dolby Pro AC3 support returned!?!?!?!?!?

pierre-k wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:09 AM

Checked your GPU settings in Options/Preferences/Video?

On my notebook transitions of 720p50 or 1080p25 MP4/H.264 files run with full frame rate in VP15.

GPU GTX 970 - On/off
The problem is the same. Does not affect GPU setup.

Please other users to try. Transition is 3 and more seconds.

pierre-k wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:19 AM

Old error with AUTO RIPPLE - Not repaired in V15!!!
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/error-with-auto-ripple-vegas-12-13-14--104547/#ca646082

Peter_P wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:28 AM

Simple Transition with two AVC FullHD samples - slowly drops to 4fps.

GPU ON / OFF - No matter.

In V14 is ok!


I can not confirm this drop. On my system even on the fade the 50fps are kept with Best(Full) preview:

I' running Vp15 B177 on an i7-6700k with an old AMD R7 250 grafic card that I selected for the video GPU acceleration.

Master86 wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:29 AM

Because the 8k is the next generation of videos and adobe is already exporting in 8k in HEVC and Vegas Pro 15 no, nor version 14. A shame not to be more up to the level than the others who have competed.
Even on Premier Pro we can export in any resolution we want, without limitation in QuickTime and MP4, Vegas Pro = no.
I say that Vegas Pro is moving in a direction that will make lose a lot of people who loved this software. I say it, and I know I'm right!

veis-nou wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:33 AM

GPU rendering with Pascals and Maxwells still makes the program crash. Tested some renders with a 950M and a 1070. Here's the result:

You should do something about this problem since you're promoting this " brand new " VP15 with features like: << Hardware acceleration from modern graphics cards and Intel QSV >> on the official product's page.

Marco. wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:36 AM

Jam_One, please see here.

Peter_P wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:41 AM

H265 was absolutely essential for this release, and I would be interested to see what the performance is like.

With the QSV support of my Intel i7-6700k UHDp30 is exported to UHDp30 HEVC nearly in realtime ! Newer CPUs will even do better ;)

 

And has the Dolby Pro AC3 support returned!?!?!?!?!?

Unfortunately No.

Robert W wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:46 AM

 

With the QSV support of my Intel i7-6700k UHDp30 is exported to UHDp30 HEVC nearly in realtime ! Newer CPUs will even do better ;)

This sounds promising at least.

 

And has the Dolby Pro AC3 support returned!?!?!?!?!?

Unfortunately No.

If that is true then it is an utter disgrace. I need the Dolby Pro AC3 codec. I can't be using kludges and workarounds with old releases to try and get back the functionality. We had assurances that it would be appearing in the 14 series at no additional cost to users. If we are really at Vegas 15 and still the codec is missing I just do not know what they are thinking. It is an essential codec for anyone that wants to use AC3 properly.

oliverSpain wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:47 AM

Expected something special, improvements and new features but nope, it's just the same old VEGAS with a thin coat of fresh paint. What a letdown. No intuitive composite sequences, output encoders are still the same. I guess MAGIX doesn't want VEGAS to compete with their true flagship NLE, VIDEO PRO X. All they need to do is take the good bits of each and make a monster app, it doesn't make sense why they have to keep both and yet VEGAS is way better but needs some features that are already in VIDEO PRO X.

What features exactly?

Glovercover created this UI concept that appeals to what I am talking about.

Composite Sequences. All I need is a tab to create another sequence and have all my sequences appear in a smart bin. I can double click on the composite sequence if I need to make changes to it and it opens on the timeline. At the moment, I have to drag a .VEG file into the timeline, which is really not the best workflow.

Your design proposal is what I expected to see in Vegas Pro 15. That design "Vegas Pro 15 Concept" looks great

26mook wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:55 AM

Vegas Pro 15

"As an owner of older versions of Sony VEGAS Pro and Movie Studio, you can upgrade to the latest version any time, at a special price."

Is Vegas Pro 15 free for Magix Vegas 14 owners ?

Best,

Ole

Peter_P wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:59 AM

 

With the QSV support of my Intel i7-6700k UHDp30 is exported to UHDp30 HEVC nearly in realtime ! Newer CPUs will even do better ;)

This sounds promising at least.

To be precise : a 10s UHDp30 XAVC-S 100Mbps clip with no filters is rendered to UHDp30  with the Intel HEVC encoder in 13s using i7-6700k QSV.

Robert W wrote on 8/28/2017, 6:00 AM

Vegas Pro 15

"As an owner of older versions of Sony VEGAS Pro and Movie Studio, you can upgrade to the latest version any time, at a special price."

Is Vegas Pro 15 free for Magix Vegas 14 owners ?

Best,

Ole


They were still actively marketing upgrades to Vegas 14 as being available as late as last week, so I would hope that they would offer at least recent upgraders a free move to Vegas 15. Even though I got email after email claiming that there were sale prices on upgrades, I was only ever offered the exact same pricing, so if they go by past form I think you will be able to get the 'special price' for some time. I would hold fire and not rush into the upgrade and wait to see what the general feedback is, unless you have a critical need for one of the new features.

mateuszszar wrote on 8/28/2017, 6:00 AM

@26mook For VP14 users - $249.00 (upgrade version)

Quitter wrote on 8/28/2017, 6:07 AM

No front channels at 5.1?

Testfile: