VEGAS Pro 15 Update 5 (build 361) - General Discussion

fr0sty wrote on 6/5/2018, 11:36 AM

No, HEVC hardware encoding was not brought in until the 1000 series cards. I don't even think it decodes HEVC, or it's not very good at it if it does, as I have a 970 and my PC chokes trying to decode HEVC above 50mbps.

ShaneJ wrote on 6/5/2018, 12:21 PM

Since the upgrade to 361 update, the audio is all screwed up when opening up any of my files from my old Kodak V550 digital camera. They are MOV files and always opened up fine on all of my past Vegas versions, until this build. The picture is fine, but the audio is this loud white noise and will not preview the audio properly. Please fix this. I need to recall a lot of old footage from these files quite frequently for new renders of my older videos.

NickHope wrote on 6/6/2018, 7:00 AM

@garygiles63 What format footage are you using and how was it created?

I'm using AVC 3840x2160. The video preview work ok in version 321 but unusable in version 361.

Any thoughts anyone?

@garygiles63 AVC from what camera or source? Does it help to disable so4compoundplug.dll?

NickHope wrote on 6/6/2018, 7:08 AM

It only happens when you add a transition . A general fade all thats it. Totally freezes playback. Not sure what you mean a VCE render. Try it and add a fade, It breaks Vegas tried disabling GPU still the same . Disabling so4 helps a bit but now found issue. It happens when you turn VIEW TRANSFORM OFF. Its ok on ACES rgb

@markypoos1 By VCE render I meant rendering with the new AMD VCE acceleration feature with the MAGIX AVC renderer. There have been a couple of reports that such rendered files don't perform well when brought back into Vegas.

Note that there is a long-standing bug whereby if you change the "View transform" setting in Project Properties to OFF, it returns to "ACES RRT (sRGB)" after a restart, despite checking "Start all new projects with these settings". Anyway in your case that sounds like a good thing.

NickHope wrote on 6/6/2018, 7:21 AM

Any possible to repair TIMECODE SYNC in MXF file (XAVC-Long from SONY FS5). Now, timecode is apear, and timecode plugin shows correct timecode, but Lay Out Track Using Media Timecode doesn't work (events located side by side with no space).

Another format (AVC, ProRes) works correctly.

@mateuszszar Please start a new thread about that issue, or add it to this one. Also please report it via a support request. I have very few test XAVC files with timecode, and I've never used this feature before, but when I tried this, one of the files (XAVC-S , labelled "Sony Alpha 7RIii") appeared isolated along the timeline, but not at the same time as its reported timecode. Another file was skipped, despite having timecodes, and another wrongly appeared at 0.

NickHope wrote on 6/6/2018, 7:28 AM

Since the upgrade to 361 update, the audio is all screwed up when opening up any of my files from my old Kodak V550 digital camera. They are MOV files and always opened up fine on all of my past Vegas versions, until this build. The picture is fine, but the audio is this loud white noise and will not preview the audio properly. Please fix this. I need to recall a lot of old footage from these files quite frequently for new renders of my older videos.

@ShaneJ See this thread. Seems like there might be a new issue with VP15 build 361. Current solution seems to be to disable so4compoundplug. Sounds like you'll then need Quicktime for Windows installed, but if you haven't already got that installed, try it first without. Please make a note about your case on that thread, including your camera model, and whether this solution works.

mateuszszar wrote on 6/6/2018, 7:40 AM

thanks Nick. I send raport (support request).

Actually I found the solution.

When I created SUBCLIP, then vegas can use timecode to LayOutTrack...

Norbert wrote on 6/6/2018, 1:47 PM

There is a playback problem with my X AVC L files recorded by the SONY PXW X70 in slow motion. The files that weren't recorded in slowmotion are playing back normally but the files I recorded in slow motion lag.

File Type> 1080 - X AVC L 50fps/50 MBit

Norbert wrote on 6/6/2018, 1:51 PM

Here is a file example for the developers. Please download it until the link works.

https://mab.to/BLbUsxjBz

ShaneJ wrote on 6/6/2018, 3:14 PM

Since the upgrade to 361 update, the audio is all screwed up when opening up any of my files from my old Kodak V550 digital camera. They are MOV files and always opened up fine on all of my past Vegas versions, until this build. The picture is fine, but the audio is this loud white noise and will not preview the audio properly. Please fix this. I need to recall a lot of old footage from these files quite frequently for new renders of my older videos.

@ShaneJ See this thread. Seems like there might be a new issue with VP15 build 361. Current solution seems to be to disable so4compoundplug. Sounds like you'll then need Quicktime for Windows installed, but if you haven't already got that installed, try it first without. Please make a note about your case on that thread, including your camera model, and whether this solution works.

That did the trick beautifully. Thank you so much. I do in fact have Quicktime for Windows already installed. So I suppose it must be a conflict between the Quicktime and so4compoundplug plugins? I wonder if the so4 would then work correctly if I uninstalled Quicktime? I don't want to try it, though, because everything seems to be working just fine. But thanks again for your help. :)

ulrik-farlov-qvist wrote on 6/6/2018, 4:24 PM

I have just updated to 361.

1. I see UI graphics issues. Glitches in the panes with Explorer, Transitions... They fail to redraw.

2. Worse is that preview with 4K is no longer as smooth as the 321 version. I have enabled my GeFroce 1060 GTX 6GB GPU as acceleration, but when I look at Task Manager in Windows and render the movie it uses the CPU 100% and the GPU 2% - whats wrong?

PS: Should mention that the footage is DJI drone H264 at 4K 60mbps

EDIT: Well. Solved issue 2 more or less. CPU still 100% and GPU 2% - very odd, but preview is almost smooth. The so4compound plug-in was the culprit. Move the black list xml file to its correct location and it works. Smooth preview and transitions in preview...https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/blacklist-for-so4-includes-fix-for-gopro-dji-xiaomi-yi-avc-lag--111716/

sassabrass wrote on 6/6/2018, 5:33 PM

Damn! So many various bug issues flying by, it is hard to keep up. Magix, you have a lot on your plate at this point. I get it. When Apple updates its IOS the phone slows down, crashes, freezes, so with all that there is to consider re: variety of use and configurations to juggle, you'll just have to find that core usability of Sony V13 and spread it around.

Can someone explain this one recurring suggestion: 'disable so4compoundplug' ?

Is it a setting or plugin or what? Does it only apply to some formats or during capture? A Joe Average like me that just wants to import an A and B roll and bang thru it needs to understand the 'basic' fixes to try, not necessarily the 'advanced' ones. Can someone list the first few things (and fixes) that could cause a crash just by clicking the cursor on the timeline?

AxExel wrote on 6/6/2018, 5:39 PM

No, HEVC hardware encoding was not brought in until the 1000 series cards. I don't even think it decodes HEVC, or it's not very good at it if it does, as I have a 970 and my PC chokes trying to decode HEVC above 50mbps.

I've just downloaded the trial of this build and used the Hevc present

In fact it does work (GTX 980 has not full Hevc encoding support mainly chroma subsample, but vegas only uses supported one 4:2:0 [looked it up with media.info program])

Encoding support is full in GM204 chips

So I can confirm that GM204 gpu's (in my case GTX 980) does work

AVsupport wrote on 6/6/2018, 5:59 PM

Any possible to repair TIMECODE SYNC in MXF file (XAVC-Long from SONY FS5). Now, timecode is apear, and timecode plugin shows correct timecode, but Lay Out Track Using Media Timecode doesn't work (events located side by side with no space).

Another format (AVC, ProRes) works correctly.

@mateuszszar Please start a new thread about that issue, or add it to this one. Also please report it via a support request.

Yes please do. I've tested this too and it doesn't seem to function as intended. Once you post your issue I can add my findings

Former user wrote on 6/6/2018, 6:20 PM

No, HEVC hardware encoding was not brought in until the 1000 series cards. I don't even think it decodes HEVC, or it's not very good at it if it does, as I have a 970 and my PC chokes trying to decode HEVC above 50mbps.

I've just downloaded the trial of this build and used the Hevc present

In fact it does work (GTX 980 has not full Hevc encoding support mainly chroma subsample, but vegas only uses supported one 4:2:0 [looked it up with media.info program])

Encoding support is full in GM204 chips

So I can confirm that GM204 gpu's (in my case GTX 980) does work

Can anyone else confirm what AxExel reports here that say a 9 series Nvidia card does support hevc Nvenc hardware encoding/rendering in VP15 361?

NickHope wrote on 6/7/2018, 1:56 AM

Since the upgrade to 361 update, the audio is all screwed up when opening up any of my files from my old Kodak V550 digital camera. They are MOV files and always opened up fine on all of my past Vegas versions, until this build. The picture is fine, but the audio is this loud white noise and will not preview the audio properly. Please fix this. I need to recall a lot of old footage from these files quite frequently for new renders of my older videos.

@ShaneJ See this thread. Seems like there might be a new issue with VP15 build 361. Current solution seems to be to disable so4compoundplug. Sounds like you'll then need Quicktime for Windows installed, but if you haven't already got that installed, try it first without. Please make a note about your case on that thread, including your camera model, and whether this solution works.

That did the trick beautifully. Thank you so much. I do in fact have Quicktime for Windows already installed. So I suppose it must be a conflict between the Quicktime and so4compoundplug plugins? I wonder if the so4 would then work correctly if I uninstalled Quicktime? I don't want to try it, though, because everything seems to be working just fine. But thanks again for your help. :)

I doubt it's a conflict. I just think it's a problem with so4compoundplug, which is still being refined.

NickHope wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:16 AM

There is a playback problem with my X AVC L files recorded by the SONY PXW X70 in slow motion. The files that weren't recorded in slowmotion are playing back normally but the files I recorded in slow motion lag.

File Type> 1080 - X AVC L 50fps/50 MBit

@Norbert I'm getting smooth playback, 25fps at Best (Full) with your sample file in VP15 build 361. Full system specs in my profile. GPU acceleration is OFF.

NickHope wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:24 AM

...Can someone explain this one recurring suggestion: 'disable so4compoundplug' ?

@sassabrass See this post: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/avc-xavc-s-issues-in-vp15-try-disabling-so4compoundplug-dll--108345/

..A Joe Average like me that just wants to import an A and B roll and bang thru it needs to understand the 'basic' fixes to try, not necessarily the 'advanced' ones. Can someone list the first few things (and fixes) that could cause a crash just by clicking the cursor on the timeline?

Work patiently through this, and see it through to the end. The solution is very probably in there. It very loosely works from most likely to least likely causes: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-troubleshooting-crashing-and-stability--104785/

Norbert wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:36 AM

There is a playback problem with my X AVC L files recorded by the SONY PXW X70 in slow motion. The files that weren't recorded in slowmotion are playing back normally but the files I recorded in slow motion lag.

File Type> 1080 - X AVC L 50fps/50 MBit

@Norbert I'm getting smooth playback, 15fps at Best (Full) with your sample file in VP15 build 361. Full system specs in my profile. GPU acceleration is OFF.

It should be play back at 50fps not 25fps. I have GPU acceleration on.

My spec on this pc:

Ryzen 1700x, MSI GTX 1080, 16 GB 3200 Mhz RAM

Norbert wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:43 AM

There is a playback problem with my X AVC L files recorded by the SONY PXW X70 in slow motion. The files that weren't recorded in slowmotion are playing back normally but the files I recorded in slow motion lag.

File Type> 1080 - X AVC L 50fps/50 MBit

@Norbert I'm getting smooth playback, 15fps at Best (Full) with your sample file in VP15 build 361. Full system specs in my profile. GPU acceleration is OFF.

Here I show how it is played back on my pc.

https://mab.to/8R6zlMIJi

NickHope wrote on 6/7/2018, 2:54 AM

@Norbert Sorry, that was a typo. I meant 25fps, not 15fps.

The file you uploaded is 25fps, not 50fps.

p.s. You can upload video demos to the forum with this button (same a images): The forum recompresses them.

Norbert wrote on 6/7/2018, 3:25 AM

@Norbert Sorry, that was a typo. I meant 25fps, not 15fps.

The file you uploaded is 25fps, not 50fps.

p.s. You can upload video demos to the forum with this button (same a images): The forum recompresses them.

Okay, you are right I didn't realize that the camera records in 25 fps in slowmotion mode. I thought it was supposed to record 50fps in slowmo too. Vegas as it tried to double the framerate in the 50fps timeline it reached only around 32 fps that's why I thought it's the file.

Norbert wrote on 6/7/2018, 3:29 AM

If I turn off the smart resapmle in the project settings I get 50fps playback out of the 25 fps file on the 50fps timeline.

NickHope wrote on 6/7/2018, 3:37 AM

@Norbert 👍

If you need more, for example if playback stutters after adding FX, then besides the usual tips for smooth playback, OldSmoke found some internal preferences that improved his playback for XAVC-I. Might also help with XAVC-L. Go carefully, and set them back to defaults if they don't help.