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Thank you for the reply. I have been doing as you suggested, but it was only a guess. I wanted to hear from experts what I was doing was correct.

Thanks again,

I,m not an expert. I often change framerates 48/24 60/30 or 50/25 fps and got best and quickest results with disabling the resampling in the project settings. On my TV, I hardly can see any difference between the high or low framerates. Also nice to realize smooth slomos at half speed.

Just my 2 cents: I generally disable resample in the project properties (use 50p from my camera, but my output is always 25p). I switch on "force resample" on events on which I use some change in speed, which would not result in a frame perfect speed-up or slowdown. For example making a 50% slow motion from 50p to my 25p output does not require resample enabled. But adding an event veloctiy gradually speeding up from zero to 66% would require it. I found that disabled resample in these situation produces a more jittery move.

+1 for disable resample.

What is your reason for not delivering in 60p?

What is your reason for not delivering in 60p?

Maybe decreasing rendering time by half, saving filespace, producing a none action movie, a cinematic effect...to my opinion 50/60 fps for delivery is mostly overkill.

I do not deliver 60p because my media often consists of multiply frame rates (e.g., 30 and 60). In addition, I may slow down the frame rate such as when I add a velocity envelop. I believe it is best practice to deliver 60p only when all your media is 60p.

Thanks again to all that took the time to reply and help

What is your reason for not delivering in 60p?

Maybe decreasing rendering time by half, saving filespace, producing a none action movie, a cinematic effect...to my opinion 50/60 fps for delivery is mostly overkill.

You only save filespace by having a lower bitrate as bitrate is per sec not per frame. A 25 fps file at X bitrate should be virtually the same size as a 50 fps file at X bitrate.

Personally I find 25 fps jerky when there is sideways movement across the screen which is close or fast. 25fps isn't enough for my eyes/brain to perceive it as continuous smooth movement. Yes I realise we used to shoot 8mm film at 16/18 fps and it looked smooth. But film is very different to digital.

Yes I realise we used to shoot 8mm film at 16/18 fps and it looked smooth. But film is very different to digital.

@EricLNZ Last year I converted plenty of my father’s and grandfather’s 8mm film shot at 16fps and no, no no, it doesn’t look smooth.

@OldSmokeI did all mine ten or more years ago using the crude method of projecting onto a small screen and capturing at 50i on a Panasonic GS500 SD tape camera. My only jerkiness is gate judder plus some ghosting where my Panasonic camera captured two film frames. A lot of mine was cycle racing material with sideways movement.

@EricLNZ I used a RetroScan 8 Pro, it scans each picture and I imported it as an image sequence at 16fps in 16fps project and that is not smooth at all but would be exactly as viewed with a projector at the right speed.

These are all hand held shot home movies, mostly shot with an Eumic C3 M on double 8mm film and no image stabilization what so ever. The oldest film is from 1939 and the last one from 1989. After that my father had a Panasonic VHS-C video camera, the quality is worse then the 8mm film. It only got better in the 90s with the first Super 8, I believe it was called VHS-S and later with my first camera, a Sony Digital 8. VHS-S was almost on par with the 8mm film, Digital 8 was ok but HDV was a game changer.

@OldSmoke I cannot recall my original film movies being jerky when projected on my old Eumig projectors and I used to show my cycle racing ones on a big screen. My projectors no longer work properly so cannot check. The projectors had a three bladed shutter so each frame was shown three times. This avoided flicker as you need 50 images per sec flashed before you to fool the eye/brain into seeing continuous motion. But you were still only seeing 16/18 different images per sec. When you imported your scans into a 16fps project what did you render out as?

We've got a bit OT but here's an example. One of my best and 50 years old now!

What is your reason for not delivering in 60p?

Maybe decreasing rendering time by half, saving filespace, producing a none action movie, a cinematic effect...to my opinion 50/60 fps for delivery is mostly overkill.

You only save filespace by having a lower bitrate as bitrate is per sec not per frame. A 25 fps file at X bitrate should be virtually the same size as a 50 fps file at X bitrate

That's true, but when you render to 25/30 fps instead of 50/60 fps you can lower the bitrate by about 33% to achieve the same pcture quality. Check the Vegas rendertemplates, the 25/30 fps templates use lower bitrates than the 50/60 fps rendertemplates, so resulting in less filespace.

25 fps can look jerky with sideways movement when (wrong) recorded with too high shutter settings with no motion blur. Remember: movies are recorded with just 24 fps, do they look jerky?

Remember: movies are recorded with just 24 fps, do they look jerky?

@EricLNZ To me they do when ever there is fast motion, like action scenes or sports.

When you imported your scans into a 16fps project what did you render out as?

@EricLNZ The last time I also rendered a 16fps file and uploaded to YT and it even played it back as 16fps. It just isn’t smooth and I am looking for better way.

I never tried this before, but maybe setting your project to 30 fps and rendering with 30 fps with smart resampling on, gives a smoother view.

I never tried this before, but maybe setting your project to 30 fps and rendering with 30 fps with smart resampling on, gives a smoother view.

I tried that but it only looked marginally better.

I'd love to know how footage from the late 1800s and early 1900s - which would have to have been shot using hand-cranked cameras presumably at 16fps or thereabouts - have been converted to relatively smooth, relatively non-jerky 24/25 fps at a real-to-life speed (i.e. as though it were shot at 24/25fps) in some recent History Channel documentaries.