Vegas Pro 17 already supports up to 8k rendering for HEVC, some AVI codecs like CineForm, Grass Valley HQX, MagicYUV and for image sequence export.

Yes, I'm behind the progress curve.

Vegas Pro 17 already supports up to 8k rendering for HEVC, some AVI codecs like CineForm, Grass Valley HQX, MagicYUV and for image sequence export.

I can make Vegas render at 4k. I can make Vegas render at 8k.

It will not allow me to add a custom resolution and render at anything in between.
It will not allow me to put in a custom resolution of 5760 x 2880 or 6144 x 3072 when trying to render.

I am able to have project settings at 5760x2880 but it will not allow me to have resolution when I render.
My only option is to down render to 4k.

If you can make it work, let me know how you did it please.

Which version of Vegas Pro and which build of it do you use?

Which render type do you use?

Which version of Vegas Pro and which build of it do you use?

Which render type do you use?

The new version just released. Vegas Pro 17 Build 321.

I've tried a number of different rendering options.
HEVC/AAC or AVC/AAC are usually what I use in general.

If you go into the render setting and choose custom frame size, when you try to type in "5760" for the width, Vegas automatically changes it "4096".

It won't allow me to enter in the custom Frame Size of 5760 x 2880 or 6144 x 3072.

AVC doesn't support larger sizes than 4k.

If you use HEVC, start with one of the given 8k presets then customize to your desired size.

AVC doesn't support larger sizes than 4k.

If you use HEVC, start with one of the given 8k presets then customize to your desired size.

It doesn't work. Try it yourself and let me know if you can make it work.

@MikiePsyche

What is your GPU?

@MikiePsyche

What is your GPU?

I have three computers I've tried it on.
GeForce 1070
GeForce 1080 Ti
GeForce 2060

The templates for 8k are only made available if the project is 8k. Check your project settings.

The templates for 8k are only made available if the project is 8k. Check your project settings.

Hey Derek,

I have tried making the project setting 8k.
I then have an option to render in 8k, sure enough.

However, If you go into the render setting and choose custom frame size, when you try to type in "5760" for the width, Vegas automatically changes it "4096".

This means I have two options;

1) Up renders the 5.7k to 8k.
2) Down render the 5.7k video to 4k.

It will not allow me to render anything in between.
I am unable to choose a custom frame rate for;

Vuze XR - 5.7k - 5760 X 2280
Yi Horizon 5.7k - 5760 x 2880 
Z-Cam K1 Pro - 6k  - 6144 x 3072
insta360 Evo - 5.7k - 5760 x 2880

If you are able to try this and make it work for yourself, please let know.
As of right now, again, If you go into the render setting and choose custom frame size, when you try to type in "5760" for the width, Vegas automatically changes it "4096".

Thanks,

Mike

Magix, unfortunately you cannot edit any of the 8k templates to match the frame sizes of these 360 cameras (you can't edit them at all, all options are greyed out), so project and render templates will need to be created for them or we'll need the ability to set custom frame sizes at any resolution up to 8k in order for it to work. Something to keep in mind for future updates.

In the mean time, upscaling to 8k is your best bet, OP.

Magix, unfortunately you cannot edit any of the 8k templates to match the frame sizes of these 360 cameras (you can't edit them at all, all options are greyed out), so project and render templates will need to be created for them or we'll need the ability to set custom frame sizes at any resolution up to 8k in order for it to work. Something to keep in mind for future updates.

In the mean time, upscaling to 8k is your best bet, OP.

Ok, Well this VR content and the number of cameras to create it are becoming more and more popular.

With new stand alone VR Headsets like the Oculus Quest and YouTube offering VR video playback at all resolutions, the amount of VR content being consumed is going to skyrocket in the near future.

Adobe Premier already has full support for both 360 content and VR180 content at these cameras resolutions.
I actually took the time to learn how to use Premier but frankly I hate it compared to Vegas.

Not sure on the Dev end what it takes to create these templates for these resolutions.
Hopefully it's doesn't require any major coding.

Thanks,

Mike

I'm able to render to 5760 x 2880 as CineForm AVI if I set my project properties to 5760 x 2880 and then select to use the project settings as frame size. Same works for a lot of other AVI codecs and image sequences.

I'm able to render to 5760 x 2880 as CineForm AVI if I set my project properties to 5760 x 2880 and then select to use the project settings as frame size. Same works for a lot of other AVI codecs and image sequences.

I do not see CineForm AVI in the rendering options.
Do I have to some how download the codec?
What exact do I do to be able to rend CineForm AVI?

I use CineForm for so long now I'm not sure how I once got it. Probably via the installation of GoPro Studio.

Same render settings work same way for GV HQX which is available here. And uncompressed AVI should work as well.

Mike,

Here is a link from our Good Buddy, Dr. Zen (Derek Moran of MovieStudioZen.com). This Tutorial shows how to acquire Cineform, install, and export out to a Cineform AVI. If you lose the link, I believe "The Doc's" tutorial is posted as a link above in the "Tutorial" tab. Make sure you watch the entire video, and check out His written explanation as well. Once this is installed, you can use either the Cineform codec, or the Grass Valley codec from the link that @Marco. provided. If you want another, you can try the MagicYUV site, and either get the older "free" version, or purchase the updated Premium version. Just be sure to have plenty/ample amounts of storage! Heh, Heh!

Mike "The Chief" O'Sullivan

I just (successfully) tested following AVI codecs for rendering up to 8k including custom sizes like 5760 X 2280 from Vegas Pro 17:

• uncompressed (Vegas internal codec)
• Sony YUV (Vegas internal codec)
• MagicYUV
• UT YUV
• Grass Valley HQX
• CineForm

Rendering to x264 AVI also worked this way but the resulting file doesn't playback correctly in various players. I doubt h264 is a suitable codec for any size above 4k.

I hoped to find a way to also make HEVC render at the given project size but I failed here. I will see if HOS allows for this (or a direct way to use a custom size above 4k for HEVC).

Edit:
Just tested HOS and it works. It automatically uses the Vegas Pro project size and rendering to HEVC/H.265 with custom sizes like 5k/6k/7k/8k (if this is the project size) works fine.

There's your solution, until the team can get support coded into Vegas, as HOS is free currently, and worth buying when it gets out of beta, as it increases what you can do with Vegas exponentially.

If you don't know where to find it, www.tools4vegas.com

I use CineForm for so long now I'm not sure how I once got it. Probably via the installation of GoPro Studio.

Same render settings work same way for GV HQX which is available here. And uncompressed AVI should work as well.

Ok I figured out how to install CineForm and got it to accept the rendering settings.
I'm rendering something out right now.
I'll have to see if the Google VR180 app will work with it to implant the metadata and if YouTube will can deal with the codec well.

If it doesn't work I'll try HOS.

Thanks,

Mike

I use CineForm for so long now I'm not sure how I once got it. Probably via the installation of GoPro Studio.

I would like to use the above statement as a reminder to Magix that they should add cineform as a native Vegas codec if at all feasible.

I just (successfully) tested following AVI codecs for rendering up to 8k including custom sizes like 5760 X 2280 from Vegas Pro 17:

• uncompressed (Vegas internal codec)
• Sony YUV (Vegas internal codec)
• MagicYUV
• UT YUV
• Grass Valley HQX
• CineForm

Rendering to x264 AVI also worked this way but the resulting file doesn't playback correctly in various players. I doubt h264 is a suitable codec for any size above 4k.

I hoped to find a way to also make HEVC render at the given project size but I failed here. I will see if HOS allows for this (or a direct way to use a custom size above 4k for HEVC).

Edit:
Just tested HOS and it works. It automatically uses the Vegas Pro project size and rendering to HEVC/H.265 with custom sizes like 5k/6k/7k/8k (if this is the project size) works fine.

Ok Marco, Here is an update.

I did manage to install CineForm and render a video at the correct resolution with it.

Unfortunately in order to publish a VR video on YouTube the video must contain VR180 Metadata which tells YouTube what the video format is.

Google has an office VR180 Creator Tool which allows you to inject the metadata into a file. The CineForm file did not seem to be compatible with VR180 Creator Tool so I was unable to inject the metadata.

I went ahead and downloaded HOS but I am not sure completely how to use it. I figure out using "renderplus" button and something is rendering now. It's slow but will see if it's compatible.

I am going either have to make H265 work with HOS or I am going to have to fine a condec that is compatible with both the Google VR180 Creator Tool and YouTube or I'm going to have use Adobe Premier.

Any tips on how to use HOS would be appreciated.

I also downloaded Grass Valley and will attempt to see if that works as well.

Thanks,

Mike