Making a video from a choir

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kirsten-v wrote on 5/2/2020, 9:34 AM

Thanks for the comments, i'm going to look at them.

@Musicvid i'm not sure what you mean with: I would suggest you use Zoom rather than try to reverse-engineer the concept to fit other tools. Thanks for the compliment. Every body said to stop. But I kept going and not perfect, but nice and a joyable in these times. It is all for the good cause.

And I don't mind working on it for hours, but with this video the time was more waiting. The screen went blur and is took 5 minutes to recover. And that with every click. It went a little better when I chunked it. But not with the Chorus. That;s why I dicided to do the rest with 1 person at the time.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 5/2/2020, 12:34 PM

@kirsten-v I suspected the pip fx wasn't in v15 but wasn't sure as I skipped that version in my update history. This was my first shot at using it but my impression is it's better than using track motion or event crop. I only used one test video, looped and trimmed to staggered start points. It came out of the camera 4k h.265 but I brought it in cropped down to h.264 720x960. I tried it at various resolutions. It's easy enough to swap out. Vegas slows down spinning its wheels the higher resolution gets. I think you're wise to intelligently pre-scale. I think you're also wise to pre-plan this to the hilt. Not so easy to change course halfway down the rabbit hole.

I've concluded the pip fx approach is way superior to others. Where have I been? There's the obvious convenience of dragging and resizing on the preview screen. But more convenient to me is that it puts the control key-frames on the timeline and includes opacity, position, and size all in one place. This makes it easy to align opacity of cells on different tracks from the one in motion.

I suspect this project is a labor of love for you (I love it already). But you might consider upgrading your Vegas to v17 and maybe your gpu too. v17 has gpu decoding that can make a big difference as the clip-count rises. And the pip fx is gpu assisted too. The system I'm working on at the moment isn't all that high-powered, maybe a step above a good laptop, but the gpu is pretty decent and Vegas isn't even breaking a sweat at the scaling I chose. Which is perfectly suitable for animated resizing up to around 44% of the 1080x1440 frame size I went with on the array.

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kirsten-v wrote on 5/12/2020, 2:48 AM

The choir is now making there video. So I just wait for that and see what I get.

kirsten-v wrote on 5/19/2020, 5:03 AM

I have reveived multiple video's. There are a lot more to come. I looked at the link put here earlier of making a video off a choir. There he said make the video's smaller. Because no one is on the whole screen. So I have nothing in Vegas yet. What would you suggest to reduce the video's to? And also shout I make all the video's the same? Like mp4? For now I see mp4 and MOV.

set wrote on 5/19/2020, 5:31 AM

Hi Kirsten, what to 'reduce'? file size?

I may suggest to render to Magix Intermediate first... From this conversation in FB Group (apologize in my earlier comment post - wrong link), there will be one point that Vegas Pro might be tired / troubled due to requirement of processing many stacks of MP4 compressed format simultaneously.

Magix Intermediate, on the other hand, makes file size larger - but it will relaxing your video decoding resources a lot so hopefully won't get your computer gone 'tired' quickly.

kirsten-v wrote on 5/19/2020, 8:58 AM

In this link which was shared here earlier they talk about reducing the video's because you never put one fullscreen. That's why I asked my question before. I have to look at Magix Intermediate. I'm not familiar with that.

michael-harrison wrote on 5/19/2020, 9:34 AM

I think they were talking about reducing the visual size of the video on-screen. Not the file size.

One of the easiest ways would be to apply the picture in picture fx to the video

I thought someone had given you a link to a sample project earlier in this thread...

kirsten-v wrote on 5/19/2020, 9:51 AM

No they where talking about the file size. They said you will keep your quality because you put the video's in smaller frames. He says the program will work better that way woking with alot of video together

3POINT wrote on 5/19/2020, 11:08 AM

They talked about reducing the resolution of your files, which automatically reduces the file size. The same advice was given to you on the Dutch Vegasforum were you started this thread first.

kirsten-v wrote on 5/19/2020, 11:55 AM

Ok that was what I did in my last video. But than they said dat it was not the right way to do it. So what is the right way and what is a size that I can use? The comment on Magix Intermediate I haven't looked at yet.

fr0sty wrote on 5/19/2020, 1:59 PM

Depends on what the original resolution of the videos is... if it is small already, you don't want to reduce it too much more.

Displaying dozens of video streams at once is going too make even more powerful systems crawl, especially if those videos are of varying formats, frame rates, etc. Your best bet, as suggested before, is to position one row, render that to a magix intermediate file of the same resolution you want your final output file to be, position the next row, render that into a video file containing 2 rows, and so on until you've "mixed down" all the rows into one video file that can play back smoothly.

kirsten-v wrote on 5/19/2020, 2:13 PM

Ok I looked at some video's 49mb to 1,65 GB all diverent frames. I going to chunck all this in rows or something. Like you suggested. But in my last video the problems started with about 6 video's together. And I can't find magix intermediate? I haven't started yet because I want to start right and not hours off work later thinking I should have done it different.

Can you explane were I can find Magix intermediate? Or what you mean by it? I thought it was a render format?

john_dennis wrote on 5/19/2020, 3:08 PM

"Can you explane were I can find Magix intermediate?"

kirsten-v wrote on 5/20/2020, 1:26 AM

Thanks that was what I did, but I opend my latest work and that was, I just realist just audio. So Matrix did not show. 🙈 So I'm going to take some video's for one section and try if this works. Thanks everybody!

set wrote on 5/31/2020, 5:28 AM

Hi Kirsten, hope your project going good.

I just finished this rush project recently, with only 2 days of work😵🙈 and quite 'few' 'disasters'.

Well, earlier attempt to do 'quick test' results of so many crashes... as expected. Once converted to Magix Intermediate, everything working smoothly without single crashes.

Earlier preview that I need to show to my client to confirm I receive all choir's media :

As for 'P-in-P placements, I use Media Generator> Checkerboard, so I can arrange the position and do masking, with Checkerboard guide. I received the audio as mix-already, single WAV file, so I just do lip-sync only.

Preview Speed:

And final (Batak ethnic language):

Editing in my ASUS ROG laptop.

kirsten-v wrote on 6/7/2020, 2:47 AM

I now got all the video's and rendered them with Magix intermediate. So now I can start making de video. I also have a audi mix and have to lip-sync the video.

@set you did not use different lines in you vieo which you render first and than put them all together did you?

 

set wrote on 6/7/2020, 4:42 AM

hi @kirsten-v, I render partial after editing, and split the rendering job on multiple systems - end up having 3 computers doing the rendering together.

Part 1 as the most having video-tracks/layers, done in very powerful computer, while other part can be done in more less-powerful option.

And since having a crash when rendering that part 1, I divide the render job to smaller scale.

Rendering is also going to Magix Intermediate as well.

kirsten-v wrote on 6/7/2020, 4:59 AM

Now I render the video's to Magix Intermediate it works so much better already 😅😅 I got al the differente voicegroups in one project syncronised now. So happy already. Looking ad the video.

kirsten-v wrote on 6/22/2020, 8:25 AM

My video is comming along nicely. But I got a problem with one video. When I look at the video with VLC the video is ok. its an MP4 I rendered it Magix Intermediate. Than the video is not ok anymore. The video is not syn with the audio. I can't move it to the right. The video seems to have another speed. Als when I do not render the video in import it in Vegas I got the same problem. All the other video's do not have this problem. Does anybody know how to solve this?

j-v wrote on 6/22/2020, 8:37 AM

How much is the not-in-sync audio in seconds compared to the who file?
If it is not to much you can time stretch the audio only file.

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michael-harrison wrote on 6/22/2020, 9:31 AM

@kirsten-v Have you checked the mediainfo on that file to see if it's VFR?

What do you mean you "can't move it to the right?" You literally can't drag the event?

kirsten-v wrote on 6/22/2020, 11:06 AM

Oh sorry I meant that I can't move it right. If I move the audio to syn the video. Than it is wrong at another place in the video.

 

I can't stretch the audio because there are 50 more video which it should be syn on. I tryed to cut the video. But still can't seem to get it right.

I do not know were to look and what VFR is.

j-v wrote on 6/22/2020, 11:32 AM

I can't stretch the audio because there are 50 more video which it should be syn on.

you wrote above:

But I got a problem with one video

How is it possible not being able to stretch only that one audiofile to make it as long as that one videofile?
Look how to do it when there are more events on the timeline


 

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