Hi guys,
just upgraded to Vegas pro 16 so that i could use GPU legacy rendering. But still i find the speed too low. I have a 2070 GTX, AMD RYZEN 9 3900x powersupply of 850 so specs are good. But I tried to render a 30 min video on 1080 60fps and it took around 40mins..way too long in my opinion. I inclluded a printscreen of my project proporties and more. Please let me know what i could do
hi guys one more picture of my rendering specifications..where it says encode render i picked gpu if available ? is this the best?
But I tried to render a 30 min video on 1080 60fps
But what are your source files?
Your project says interlaced, your render says progressive. Which is it? Do you know that deinterlacing takes a LOT longer? Why do you not have a project deinterlace method chosen? You would need that....
What effects / cropping and titles do you have on the timeline? You see, it all makes a difference.
@bigdaddyjende-b You might want to try the Magix AVC render templates instead of Sony AVC. The Magix AVC NVenc template should be the fastest for you.
Also, only have your project settings set to interlaced if your source media is also interlaced, otherwise you're losing half your pixels per frame.
Yep with both VP16 & VP17 the Sony XAVCS does not show any significant boost in render times with GPU. As others say you must use Magix AVC templates to give some improvement. 40min to render a 30 min video for the Sony seems quite good to me. My i5 at 4.08GHz takes a tad longer that this.
But I tried to render a 30 min video on 1080 60fps
But what are your source files?
Your project says interlaced, your render says progressive. Which is it? Do you know that deinterlacing takes a LOT longer? Why do you not have a project deinterlace method chosen? You would need that....
What effects / cropping and titles do you have on the timeline? You see, it all makes a difference.
Sorry for late reply but was working. Here is the Media info file
General
Complete name : C:\Users\Khan\Desktop\Blairwitch 2019.08.20 - 17.11.44.01.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size : 10.1 GiB
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Overall bit rate : 45.2 Mb/s
Recorded date : 2019
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate : 45.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 60.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 54.711 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 68.027 FPS
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.362
Stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Source stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Title : VideoHandle
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System M
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
mdhd_Duration : 1917834
Codec configuration box : avcC
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 196 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Source stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Title : SoundHandle / System sounds
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
mdhd_Duration : 1917755
Also, only have your project settings set to interlaced if your source media is also interlaced, otherwise you're losing half your pixels per frame.
Could you plz help me with how to see where it says interlaced and stuff. I dont know this yet
Yep with both VP16 & VP17 the Sony XAVCS does not show any significant boost in render times with GPU. As others say you must use Magix AVC templates to give some improvement. 40min to render a 30 min video for the Sony seems quite good to me. My i5 at 4.08GHz takes a tad longer that this.
yeah but I just paid like 3k for a top of the art computer hoping that my videos would be able to render super super fast
@bigdaddyjende-b You might want to try the Magix AVC render templates instead of Sony AVC. The Magix AVC NVenc template should be the fastest for you.
but will I lose resoultion and frames if i switch to Magix avc and will i be able to upload this format to youtube?
The best rendertemplate in VP16 you can use is this customized Magix AVC FHD template
If you don't see that Nvidia NVENC option you have to set your NVidia GPU driverversion to the last Studio 431.70 version.
The best rendertemplate in VP16 you can use is this customized Magix AVC FHD template
If you don't see that Nvidia NVENC option you have to set your NVidia GPU driverversion to the last Studio 431.70 version.
Ok thanks I am gonna try it. But one more question is this Render settings than also faster than the sony avc settings i had right?
With me it is, unless the much higher bitrate for the default template, 2,3 times faster.
1 min. render in Sony AVC takes 91 sec, same in Magix AVC 39 sec.
With me it is, unless the much higher bitrate for the default template, 2,3 times faster.
1 min. render in Sony AVC takes 91 sec, same in Magix AVC 39 sec.
thats a big difference in rendering time...But wait the much higher bitrate for the default template? I didnt understand this..what do you mean
The bitrate shown in your used Sony template has an average of 16.000.000 bps. and the one I used and showed you has max. of 40.000.000 bps and average of 20.000.000 bps
The bitrate shown in your used Sony template has an average of 16.000.000 bps. and the one I used and showed you has max. of 40.000.000 bps and average of 20.000.000 bps
Ok thank you..The higher the bitrates the faster the rendering i assume? Which bitrates can you recommend me keeping in mind that my specs are pretty high
Which bitrates can you recommend me keeping in mind that my specs are pretty high
I offered the, to my means, best rendertemplate for your project as you showed. If that screenshot of me can't help you than I 'm not able to help you any further.
The other thing to consider, in my view the Sony AVC render to my eyes is higher quality than the Magix AVC. Speed is not everything.
The higher the bitrates the faster the rendering i assume?
Wrong assumption.
But I tried to render a 30 min video on 1080 60fps
But what are your source files?
Your project says interlaced, your render says progressive. Which is it? Do you know that deinterlacing takes a LOT longer? Why do you not have a project deinterlace method chosen? You would need that....
What effects / cropping and titles do you have on the timeline? You see, it all makes a difference.
Sorry for late reply but was working. Here is the Media info file
General
Complete name : C:\Users\Khan\Desktop\Blairwitch 2019.08.20 - 17.11.44.01.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size : 10.1 GiB
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Overall bit rate : 45.2 Mb/s
Recorded date : 2019
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate : 45.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 60.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 54.711 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 68.027 FPS
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.362
Stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Source stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Title : VideoHandle
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System M
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
mdhd_Duration : 1917834
Codec configuration box : avcCAudio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 196 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Source stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Title : SoundHandle / System sounds
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
mdhd_Duration : 1917755
Your video is Variable Frame Rate. It is not natively compatible with VP16.
Convert to constant frame rate mp4 in Handbrake first.
Could you plz help me with how to see where it says interlaced and stuff. I dont know this yet
Tutorial Section is here. MATCH your source, project, and render properties, and give Vegas a chance to get it right. You are changing stuff.
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/tutorials/
Some basic video vocabulary here:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/
@bigdaddyjende-b You might want to try the Magix AVC render templates instead of Sony AVC.
but will I lose resoultion and frames if i switch to Magix avc and will i be able to upload this format to youtube?
The Magix AVC template with Mainconcept chosen as the encoder generates the same YouTube-compatible moov fast start atom in its output as the Sony AVC... it's just a bit faster rendering than the cpu-only setting of the Sony AVC.
The higher the bitrates the faster the rendering i assume?
Just the opposite.. The lower the bit rate the faster the rendering. Quality vs Speed , It's a compromise when we want both. Higher bit rates also produce larger files as well if that's a factor.
Which bitrates can you recommend me keeping in mind that my specs are pretty high
I offered the, to my means, best rendertemplate for your project as you showed. If that screenshot of me can't help you than I 'm not able to help you any further.
sorry i completely missed the right side of the picture with the bitrates shown
But I tried to render a 30 min video on 1080 60fps
But what are your source files?
Your project says interlaced, your render says progressive. Which is it? Do you know that deinterlacing takes a LOT longer? Why do you not have a project deinterlace method chosen? You would need that....
What effects / cropping and titles do you have on the timeline? You see, it all makes a difference.
Sorry for late reply but was working. Here is the Media info file
General
Complete name : C:\Users\Khan\Desktop\Blairwitch 2019.08.20 - 17.11.44.01.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size : 10.1 GiB
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Overall bit rate : 45.2 Mb/s
Recorded date : 2019
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=30
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate : 45.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 60.000 FPS
Minimum frame rate : 54.711 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 68.027 FPS
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.362
Stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Source stream size : 10.0 GiB (100%)
Title : VideoHandle
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.601 NTSC
Transfer characteristics : BT.470 System M
Matrix coefficients : BT.601
mdhd_Duration : 1917834
Codec configuration box : avcCAudio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 31 min 57 s
Source duration : 31 min 57 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 196 kb/s
Nominal bit rate : 96.0 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Source stream size : 44.9 MiB (0%)
Title : SoundHandle / System sounds
Encoded date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
Tagged date : UTC 2019-08-20 16:43:43
mdhd_Duration : 1917755Your video is Variable Frame Rate. It is not natively compatible with VP16.
Convert to constant frame rate mp4 in Handbrake first.
Could you plz help me with how to see where it says interlaced and stuff. I dont know this yet
Tutorial Section is here. MATCH your source, project, and render properties, and give Vegas a chance to get it right. You are changing stuff.
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/tutorials/
Some basic video vocabulary here:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/
ok thanks..let me just look these stuff up and see if i can figure it out. If not I will come back to the thread. Thanks a lot for the help everyone