Best fileformat for creating intermediate sequences

Werner_NOR wrote on 1/31/2021, 1:16 PM

My raw files are 8 bit movfiles from a Nikon dslr camera and mts files from a Panasonic camcorder.

i do not like putting everything on one timeline and since I cannot switch between multiple timeline like in Davinci Resolve I prefer to create and export sequences in vms. Usually I export in Avid dnxhd format and use Avid to stitch it all together to a final project.

But if I instead use vms for creating the ‘master project’ what is the best fileformat for minimising quality loss when I do it like above,since it involves two renderings, instead of just one?

 

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Musicvid wrote on 2/1/2021, 5:27 PM

@Werner_NOR

PNG format is best for multiple image sequence generations since it is lossless, but it is a bit slower than jpeg.

Or are you asking about your output movie file format? That depends on your intended use, so more information is needed.

Werner_NOR wrote on 2/2/2021, 1:31 AM

Thanks for replying. To your question: My projects are usually a combination of photographs and videos. I was originally a photographer, doing pictures from film since the 70s. The last 10 years I have moved into digital media, both pictures and videos, with video and multimedia becoming more and more important.

For pictures I usually start with raw files in Nikon format and convert to jpeg for import into MVS. I also takes pictures with the Panasonic 920 (20 megapixels). This is also in Jpeg format. I usually export as jpeg in a size more suitable to 1920 x 1080 before I import into the timeline. But you suggest png is better here?

For videos I import mov and mts files into MVS. MVS 16/17 handles these files well. In MVS 16 I can use advanced settings and Quicktime and export in DNxHD format . MVS 16 handles this well when rendering and I can use these DNxHD files both in Avid and in MVS 16 without any problems.

I was just wondering if there is another 'native' format in MVS that is just as good/better when I export to MVS or Avid, which does not involve Quicktime.

I also have have MVS 17, but this program crashes when I try to use advanced settings. If one of the basic modes is sufficient I can render from MVS 17 as well, but not anything advanced.

Extra comment:

I would love if MVS could get the abilty to export single clips from the timeline, not just regions or the whole timeline. It would make it much easier to integrate with other programs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Musicvid wrote on 2/2/2021, 9:56 AM

If by Avid you mean Media Composer, I would favor ProRes over DNx because it uses 64 bit libraries.

Other "possible" companions, that you would have to test, are XAVC, XDCAM-EX, etc. I would stay away from heavily compressed formats like HEVC.

Of course, PNG Sequences should import directly between programs.

Maybe someone with MC already installed can shed some more light on this.

Thanks for your question. It will help others.

3POINT wrote on 2/2/2021, 1:28 PM

I used always XAVC for intermediate export with VMS (when framerate, fieldorder and resolution is not covered with XDCAM). Unfortunately XAVC has been withdrawn from VMS since version 17.

Werner_NOR wrote on 2/3/2021, 1:37 PM

I could not find the ProRes driver. Is this something I have to install separately, like Avid/Quicktime? Any suggestions on how to do this? I guess the Avid I am using now is 32 bit, so 64 bit would be quicker I would imagine.

I did a test export with Sony XAVS and it seems to work fine both in MVS 16 Platinum and in Avid Media Composer First. So I guess this is a good option.

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By the way: I got a reply to a support ticket today from Vegas Support regarding my problems with MVS 17 and the crashing when rendering. Vegas still blaimed it on my computer and my Intel 4000 graphics, which is not supposed to be supported. But when I looked into the error logs it showed that my graphics was ok. The crash report showed an unhandled error which causes the program to crash. When Vegas creates programs their programmer shall make sure that errors are handled in the code,so the program doesnt crash. This is sloppy programming.
So I will not waste more time on MVS 17 and discussions with Vegas support. I will stick to MVS 16 and Avid, which works fine for me.

 

 

Musicvid wrote on 2/3/2021, 2:40 PM

ProRes may not be available in your version of Movie Studio.

AFAIK, the LE Avid codecs (the kind you can use in Vegas) are 32 bit. Vegas does not have a license for Avid MXF.