BUG: VEGAS 13 / 14 - Corrugated interlaced video ONLY with Preview (Full)

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 12:11 PM

Video must be interlaced. My video is Full HD mts. This Bug is ONLY Preview (Full). Project Properties - None (progressive scan). Setting Upper or Down field First will solve the problem. I want to have a project but progressive.

VEGAS 12 is OK!

Please confirm other users and Magix please repair.

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Kinvermark wrote on 11/21/2016, 12:23 PM

Hasn't it always worked this way?   If you put interlaced footage on a progressive timeline you see combing.  If you render to progressive it gets deinterlaced and your output looks fine, yes?

 

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 12:55 PM

If interlaced video into progressive render with Video rendering quality PREVIEW I see combing. If you render to GOOD or BEST, the video is ok. Problem is only Preview (Full) Window and Preview rendering.

OldSmoke wrote on 11/21/2016, 2:55 PM

Switch ON smart resampling on the interlaced event, set deinterlacing method to interpolate

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:04 PM

Switch ON smart resampling, Blend field, interpolate, all method resample, GPU On/Off  - no effect.

OldSmoke wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:06 PM

What is your frame rate? It has to be double PAL or NTSC to make the combing disapear.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:12 PM

All is 25fps. Project and samples. In Vegas Pro 12 no problem.

OldSmoke wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:22 PM

Sorry, just realised that you mean it only happens in "Preview Full". I never use it, always Best Full. It has todo with the way Vegas renders the video in that setting, it always worked that way, atleast in VP11,12 & 13, I dont have 14.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:37 PM

I just renders only BEST quality. But I edit the Preview (auto) or Preview (Full). This window on my second monitor. I've got a lot of headlines, videos, and effects. Higher quality without a functioning GPU support is not possible. And editing with Preview (Full) with interlaced material is a problem.

I discovered this bug and if Magix wants to return the users should fix everything.

Sorry my english 😎

 

Kinvermark wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:48 PM

For me, this is not a bug - it is a behaviour that you don't like in your particular workflow.   If you want to preview interlaced material without combing, then set your fields to interlaced upper.  Switch back to progressive when looking at progressive elements of you timeline.  No big deal.

Magix have been fixing lots of small things quite quickly, so no complaints here.

 

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 3:57 PM

For me, this is not a bug - it is a behaviour that you don't like in your particular workflow.   If you want to preview interlaced material without combing, then set your fields to interlaced upper.  Switch back to progressive when looking at progressive elements of you timeline.  No big deal.

Magix have been fixing lots of small things quite quickly, so no complaints here.

 

This is a joke ??? In Vegas 12 and lower is no problem. In Vegas 13 /14  it is a problem.

Marco. wrote on 11/21/2016, 4:05 PM

If you use interlaced footage, be sure to set "Deinterlace Method" to either "Blend" or "Interpolate" in the project properties. It should not be set to "None" in this case. 

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 4:10 PM

If you use interlaced footage, be sure to set "Deinterlace Method" to either "Blend" or "Interpolate" in the project properties. It should not be set to "None" in this case. 

Your idea does not work. Please first try Vegas 12 and Vegas 13/14.

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 4:13 PM

The problem is not with Draft Good Best (all options) and Preview (auto, half, quarter).
The problem is just, and only a PREVIEW (FULL).

Please look again closely at the video and in the first post.

 

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 4:46 PM

Please download this video sample

https://mega.nz/#!wQ0kWBJb!ZxpLEgSf9hcKUgqSjfO9HNdSDwEJApCVygCcmGOr5qI


1 In the Project Properties, set None (progressive)
2 Alternate options in the Video Preview - Draft, Preview, Good, Best (Auto, Full, Half, quarter)
3. Write whether you have the same problem with Preview (Full) like me.

Combing will take effect when the camera moves. Just take a break in motion cameras to test options.

Thank you very much.

set wrote on 11/21/2016, 5:11 PM

Ok, I tried your sample file, and I can confirm in VP13.453 & VP14.201, the combing effect appear when using Preview (Full). However, this setting actually won't affect the render settings...

 

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Musicvid wrote on 11/21/2016, 5:27 PM

Deinterlacing does not occur in Preview or Best preview modes, at least through version 8, and the feature is well documented. Tempest in a teacup.

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 5:28 PM

Thank you. When setting the Preview Full and Project setting None Progressive all the videos act as interlaced. Although they should behave as progressive.

Please try exactly what the video in the first post:

1. Project setting is progressive
2. Stop the video in motion
3. In the video window - Preview (Full)
4. Move the video window in Vegas. Zoom in and out.

You see different combing the video window?

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:02 PM

New findings:
The Preview (Full) mode is internally Resample mode OFF. No matter what you set. It is OFF to hard! Does not work.

Check it.
1. In the Preview window quality - Good (full)
2. In the Project Properties, adjust various options Deinterlace methods
3. In video window, you can see that everything works.

In The Preview (Full) nothing works.

set wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:02 PM

Here's how your media appear in my system:

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Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz   2.90 GHz
Video Card1: Intel UHD Graphics 630 (Driver 31.0.101.2127 (Feb 1 2024 Release date))
Video Card2: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GDDR6 (Driver Version 551.23 Studio Driver (Jan 24 2024 Release Date))
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Video Card 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 VRAM (Driver Version 537.58)
RAM: 16GB
OS: Win11 Home 64-bit Version 22H2 OS Build 22621.2428
Storage: M.2 NVMe PCIe 256GB SSD & 2.5" 5400rpm 1TB SSHD

 

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Musicvid wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:04 PM

Your "full HD mts" is not progressive. Field handling is "off"" in Preview quality. For those reasons, what you've described seems like expected behavior to me. Although valid, you may be sharing a feature request rather than a bug report.

The simple explanation is to use "Good" most of the time. This is the default setting. If you want more info, read on...


Quality: Best
Scaling: bi-cubic/integration 
Field Handling: on 
Field Rendering: on (setting dependent) 
Framerate Resample/IFR: on (switch dependent)

Quality: Good
Scaling: bi-linear 
Field Handling: on 
Field Rendering: on (setting dependent) 
Framerate Resample/IFR: on (switch dependent)

Quality: Preview
Scaling: bi-linear 
Field Handling: off 
Field Rendering: off 
Framerate Resample/IFR: always off

Quality: Draft
Scaling: point sample 
Field Handling: off 
Field Rendering: off 
Framerate Resample/IFR: always off

------------------------------
Scaling:
------------------------------
 

set wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:09 PM

I personally always work with Preview (Half) resolution, as it is enough for me, because my monitor is just 1920x1080. And as long as the Full Render Quality has no combing issue... I wouldn't mind about this.

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Bandung, West Java, Indonesia (UTC+7 Time Area)

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Personal Portfolios YouTube Playlist
Pond5 page: My Stock Footage of Bandung city

 

System 5-2021:
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz   2.90 GHz
Video Card1: Intel UHD Graphics 630 (Driver 31.0.101.2127 (Feb 1 2024 Release date))
Video Card2: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GDDR6 (Driver Version 551.23 Studio Driver (Jan 24 2024 Release Date))
RAM: 32.0 GB
OS: Windows 10 Pro Version 22H2 OS Build 19045.3693
Drive OS: SSD 240GB
Drive Working: NVMe 1TB
Drive Storage: 4TB+2TB

 

System 2-2018:
ASUS ROG Strix Hero II GL504GM Gaming Laptop
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 8750H CPU @2.20GHz 2.21 GHz
Video Card 1: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 630 (Driver 31.0.101.2111)
Video Card 2: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5 VRAM (Driver Version 537.58)
RAM: 16GB
OS: Win11 Home 64-bit Version 22H2 OS Build 22621.2428
Storage: M.2 NVMe PCIe 256GB SSD & 2.5" 5400rpm 1TB SSHD

 

* I don't work for VEGAS Creative Software Team. I'm just Voluntary Moderator in this forum.

pierre-k wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:34 PM
 

Quality: Preview
Scaling: bi-linear 
Field Handling: off 
Field Rendering: off 
Framerate Resample/IFR: always off

Quality: Draft
Scaling: point sample 
Field Handling: off 
Field Rendering: off 
Framerate Resample/IFR: always off
 

 

Thank you. But Quality Draft (full) has also Field Handling: off. And not combing.

Kinvermark wrote on 11/21/2016, 6:57 PM

For me, this is not a bug - it is a behaviour that you don't like in your particular workflow.   If you want to preview interlaced material without combing, then set your fields to interlaced upper.  Switch back to progressive when looking at progressive elements of you timeline.  No big deal.

Magix have been fixing lots of small things quite quickly, so no complaints here.

 

This is a joke ??? In Vegas 12 and lower is no problem. In Vegas 13 /14  it is a problem.


Seriously dude, not cool.  

I was trying to help you, and as several others have also pointed out,  this is not a big deal if you are actually looking for a workaround.   Now, if your goal is to find fault, no matter how minor, then I guess you have got something to report to Magix support.  So go ahead and do that.  I hope they give it the attention it deserves.

 

NickHope wrote on 11/21/2016, 11:17 PM

Tested in Vegas Pro 10, 12, 13 and 14 (including back to 10 and 12 at the end for a 2nd look):