Cineform is now open source

NickHope wrote on 10/25/2017, 11:16 PM

Cineform has a future...

Press Release

SDK

Releases

I guess for the time being, Quik | Desktop is still the way to get the latest version of the codec on Windows. Legacy Cineform downloads are here.

Comments

malowz wrote on 10/26/2017, 6:18 AM

would be nice if they release the codec only. Quik is win10 only, and old apps seems to have the codec, but not in "free mode" ;)

 

NickHope wrote on 10/26/2017, 11:30 AM

Because it's now open source, presumably there will soon(ish) be builds of just the codec for whatever platform.

(I may be completely wrong in this presumption.)

NormanPCN wrote on 10/26/2017, 1:18 PM

Hopefully libavcodec (ffmpeg) gets a Cineform encoder with the source now available.

wwaag wrote on 10/26/2017, 9:19 PM

Beware of Quik. The latest versions do not install Cineform. I had to find an old version of GoPro Studio to get the codec re-installed.

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Musicvid wrote on 10/27/2017, 1:17 AM

Norm, likely it will show up in ffmpeg first, then libav sometime later. My guess, based on their history, is that it will be perhaps 18-24 months after the Cinefirm release before it shows up in Handbrake.

Anyway, it's proven to be a durable and adaptable intermediate over the years.

NormanPCN wrote on 10/27/2017, 12:55 PM

Beware of Quik. The latest versions do not install Cineform. I had to find an old version of GoPro Studio to get the codec re-installed.

The Quik 2.5 (current) installer is bad. It tries to install the codecs but does it half way. It sets up the registry entries for the codecs but does not install/copy the files to disk. As to what is "wrong" in 2.5. The registry setup of the file copy remains to be seen as time goes by.

Quick 2.3 does work fully and Quik 2.3 still has studio.

One can get free Cineform decoders from the Cineform website. But not encoders. That installs, Video for Windows, DirectShow and Quicktime codecs.

Norm, likely it will show up in ffmpeg first, then libav sometime later.

The libav people are very particular about the coding style used for sources they allow. I've seen the comments on the Cineform decoder submissions to libav. Kinda picky IMO. In the meantime, libav clients like Handbrake have to wait.

Of course Handbrake does not really ever need Cineform encode support. That's for the transcode tools like ffmpeg. Cineform decode support would be useful for Handbrake and the libav controllers have been holding that back.

Premiere, Resolve and Hitfilm all support Cineform fully natively. Nothing external needed. Vegas is halfway in between. Direct SDK support but only if installed externally. That is probably due to the long history of Vegas and Cineform. They supported the Cineform SDK back when Cineform was still a paid product. They should switch to fully native like the others so we don't need a codec installer (which might be broken like right now).

Kinvermark wrote on 10/28/2017, 10:25 PM

 

... Vegas is halfway in between. Direct SDK support but only if installed externally. That is probably due to the long history of Vegas and Cineform. They supported the Cineform SDK back when Cineform was still a paid product. They should switch to fully native like the others so we don't need a codec installer (which might be broken like right now).

It would be very nice to have a commitment to support this. Cineform has solved my problems with Vegas performance ever since HDV. The more I read through all the various posts asking for advice about what expensive hardware to throw at Vegas (with little evidence of results), the more I am convinced that a solid "intermediate" strategy will be needed for the foreseeable future. Sure, NVENC, QSV, etc are good, but all you need is to change to an unsupported camera format and now they can't be used. Seems like a dangerous (and inflexible) hardware investment to make.

Also, while other formats (XAVC I, MagicYUV) may be technically just as good, for best results the intermediate should be widely supported by different programs - and work properly on Windows.

igniz-krizalid wrote on 10/28/2017, 11:24 PM

Will my video editors benefit from this if I install it, or only people with Gopro cameras will?

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NickHope wrote on 10/28/2017, 11:33 PM

Will my video editors benefit from this if I install it, or only people with Gopro cameras will?

It can be used as a high quality intermediate or delivery codec by anyone. GoPros don't actually shoot Cineform.

igniz-krizalid wrote on 10/28/2017, 11:41 PM

Will my video editors benefit from this if I install it, or only people with Gopro cameras will?

It can be used as a high quality intermediate or delivery codec by anyone. GoPros don't actually shoot Cineform.


Oh!

Main PC:

MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit

joseph-w wrote on 10/29/2017, 11:42 AM

Wow this is great news. I use Cineform exclusively as an intermediary between Virtualdub (deshaker/neat) to Vegas. Almost lossless and great performance in Vegas.

 

malowz wrote on 10/29/2017, 4:37 PM

They could release a codec pack like Grass Valley. Would be lovely ;)

I've been using HQ codec 7 years i think

gerdagerd wrote on 8/23/2018, 11:44 AM

has anyone gotten the new cineform open source version 10 to install in windows?

Former user wrote on 8/23/2018, 1:59 PM

This where I got it, Dr. Zens tutorial and download link, installed on Win 10 aok ...

https://www.moviestudiozen.com/free-tutorials/sony-vegas-pro/592-render-cineform-video-from-vegas-pro-movie-studio

https://gopro-cineform-studio.en.lo4d.com

Just realised, maybe thats not what you asked i.e. Cineform ver. 10.