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EricLNZ wrote on 8/13/2021, 10:20 PM

Do you think without movie studio Pro is now condemed to a slow death?

No, I don't think so.

RogerS wrote on 8/14/2021, 1:28 AM

Quite the opposite, it should free up resources to modernize Pro and help it build market share. Once you're in, the upgrade costs aren't so bad.

There is still a place for a non-subscription based relatively user and non-bleeding edge hardware friendly NLE in my opinion.

Maybe they can try other ways of getting people to Vegas like cross-grades from competitors' products.

The recent VP 16 Humble Bundle also brought in many new users if they plan to do that again to build market share. Also, in certain regions Vegas is way cheaper so you don't need an intro platform (I think I got VP 15 while it was new through the official distributor for ~$70).

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Musicvid wrote on 8/14/2021, 10:13 AM

It's logical for Magix to throw some support behind its other editing software line.

It's also a sign of health for Vegas Pro, whose developers were overstretched to maintain two core products. Magix will continue to throw full support behind Vegas as long as it continues to make a profit.

Dimitrios wrote on 8/14/2021, 5:50 PM

It's logical for Magix to throw some support behind its other editing software line.

It's also a sign of health for Vegas Pro, whose developers were overstretched to maintain two core products. Magix will continue to Throw full support behind Vegas as long as icontinues to make a profit.

I'm sure they will. A better scenario would have been allowed additional resources to handle both products. But you know how the editing ecosystem all ready barely takes us seriously. It's gonna be harder to get new users now. I think this is just a fact.

Reyfox wrote on 8/25/2021, 7:07 AM

IDK... the consumer editing field is quite crowded now as it is. Pinnacle Studio, Videostudio Pro, Adobe Elements, PowerDirector, and these are off the top of my head. Then the free and open source ones that operate in the consumer editing world that offer a lot of features for zero money.

Each one eating away at the same pie.... I also think they (VCS) looked at the numbers ($$$) and made that decision. Most "consumers" are looking for a lot of "automated" features that don't require much effort (click and press) to get something they consider "fancy" to show at the next family get together. Lots of templates, a real title editor, etc....

 

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Dexcon wrote on 8/25/2021, 7:55 AM

Desktops used to be huge sellers many years ago. Now, the everyday consumer desktop retail market is largely limited to Dell and HP probably aimed at enthusiasts. Laptops are the new consumer computer. But perhaps not. The executive chairman of a huge Australian retailer - which includes TV/AV and computers (a bit like FNAC in France) - and has stores in Asian and UK markets - was recently asked in a media interview something along the lines of why laptops are now so heavily promoted. The rather surprising and candid answer was, "they don't sell any more". He added that people who have bought them soon realised that they don't really need them. Clearly, I wasn't in the survey/focus group that resulted in that conclusion.

So what has taken the place of desktops and laptops in the everyday consumer market? Smart phones of course. And correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't there have been an increase in the availability of editing systems for smart phones to edit those family memories. It's the Kodak Instamatic answer for the current age.

With that in mind, how are consumer NLEs like Reyfox has named above going to react to the evolution in how families - not enthusiasts - move over to phone-based NLEs?

My biggest gripe with smart phone users - holding the phone vertically rather than horizontally, particularly if the end display source is likely to be a 16:9 TV set.

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MMiles wrote on 8/25/2021, 10:02 AM
With that in mind, how are consumer NLEs like Reyfox has named above going to react to the evolution in how families - not enthusiasts - move over to phone-based NLEs

With web based NLE's and a small tablet or cell phone based client....and 5G everywhere.

EricLNZ wrote on 8/26/2021, 6:09 AM

I've not tried editing on a phone but it might be very difficult on a small screen for anything that isn't very simple!

We can run out of space on a desktop/laptop and I always use two screens nowadays.

Dexcon wrote on 8/26/2021, 8:12 AM

I've not tried editing on a phone but it might be very difficult on a small screen for anything that isn't very simple!

Nor have I, but I can imagine the difficulty of setting keyframes in pan/crop on a phone screen if a product like Vegas were available as an Android/iPhone release.

From what I've seen offered thus far, the current phone editing options are often quite gimmicky and would more likely to appeal to younger age groups where 'image' results are desired.

Looking at https://www.aiseesoft.com/tutorial/samsung-video-editor.html and even Samsung's webpage, current editing on a phone couldn't even be described as NLE editing, it's more like editing individual video/images. Maybe iPhone is different.

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