DV Capture with 1394

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/19/2017, 8:54 AM

Hi,

Past years i captured many tapes (PAL DV Hi8, Video8 etc.), i got another tape from a friend and VP14 (latest build) freezes/stops (actually Vegas Video Capture stops working not VP itself) as soon it plays/record the tape, i can preview the camera (in camera mode) and in player mode i can FFW/Rewind etc. as soon i press play and/or record it stops working?! Never had any issues, it is set on the MS DV and Camera device, no problems in device manager, halp..

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Musicvid wrote on 8/19/2017, 9:15 AM

Turn off device control in the capture app.

diverG wrote on 8/19/2017, 1:16 PM

Windows 10 requires legacy 1394 drivers to be installed.

Edit: Recent update to 1703 'Creator' changed the 1394 driver.  I had to reset it.

Usually plug camcorder (HC3) into a switched off computer.   After booting switch on camcorder,  computer 'pings/responds' and camcorder is seen in device manager.  Been able to test on 'desktop with V13.

V14 is on laptop but no dv port so cannot test V14.

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SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/20/2017, 7:03 AM

sadly did not work, after googling and success with installing legacy drivers, and device control turned off as soon as i press record same thing :/

Musicvid wrote on 8/21/2017, 6:58 AM

Manually push play, then pause on your camcorder.

Start capturing.

The manually push play.

Does that work?

If not, you can still download Scenalyzer.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/21/2017, 2:23 PM

i tryd that also, then it freezes right away, it happens when the camera playing the tape so pause it have same effect, i have no idea nomore, i will look into Scenalyzer and will let know...

Former user wrote on 8/21/2017, 4:22 PM

Are you capturing to an internal drive or a USB drive?

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/22/2017, 10:48 AM

Windows 10 requires legacy 1394 drivers to be installed.

Edit: Recent update to 1703 'Creator' changed the 1394 driver.  I had to reset it.

Usually plug camcorder (HC3) into a switched off computer.   After booting switch on camcorder,  computer 'pings/responds' and camcorder is seen in device manager.  Been able to test on 'desktop with V13.

V14 is on laptop but no dv port so cannot test V14.

i tryd this trick, read it also somewhere after googling an hour, sadly doesn't work, I installed Scenalyzer and that is working fine, so it have tobe VP14 :/ I don't like the GUI of Scenalyzer but this tape i can atleast capture for now, i prefer VP capture...

@Former user To internal SSD

diverG wrote on 8/22/2017, 11:45 AM

You did not specify your playback device.  Again I seem to remember that my  camcorder (A1E or HC3) needed to be manually set to HDV or SD to match the tape you intended to capture.   I captured HDV on my recent test.

Anyway you appear to be up and running so all is well.

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Sys 2 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP17, Plus Edius 8WG Win 10 Pro (22H2) Resolve18

 

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/23/2017, 10:36 AM

it is a Sony DCR-TRV293E, so just a simple camcorder not a semi/pro camcorder like A1E, i don't have these kind of settings..

Well for this tape yes, but i will get other tapes from customers and friends, i don't only prefer Vegas Capture but i paid for this also😡, i already send a ticket

Musicvid wrote on 8/23/2017, 12:00 PM

 

A tape that is working for you in Scenealyzer but not in Vegas Capture, is a compelling indicator of a corrupt or degraded source tape. Seen it many times. Work with Scenealyzer; you will find its capabilities far exceed Vegas Capture, including some error correction.

Remember Magix did not invent this; it's a legacy capture utility that has been around since ~2001, when Vegas Audio added video.

I predict it will be dropped at some point since DV and FireWire are no longer used much. That means don't expect further development; you didn't pay any extra, and Scenalyzer Free has always worked better IMO.

Another thing you can do is run the signal through a TBC, such as AVDC300. It pretty well restores missing sync control to old tape.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/24/2017, 12:57 AM

Good points yes but what I meant with paying also for "Vegas Capture" is that I bought VP14 for also have the feature of a DV Capture utility, but I didn't know it been not been updated a long time, also I tried other tapes from myself and tested those too, it's same crash, I hope they won't drop it as there will be always a job a few times a year to make a DVD for someone, and those DCR camera are getting rare and prices on like EBAY are ridiculous high, because alot of people are searching for those camcorders still to digitize their there tapes thru FireWire, but its a fact it's not being used in these ages for modern devices, searching now and still for other solutions, thanks anyway

Musicvid wrote on 8/24/2017, 5:05 AM

searching now and still for other solutions, thanks anyway

I thought you found another solution for the tape that was causing issues.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/24/2017, 7:24 AM

searching now and still for other solutions, thanks anyway

I thought you found another solution for the tape that was causing issues.

it was not 1 tape specific ;) For this tape (as others tapes will come along) i have done it now with Scenealyzer yes, but still want to have Vegas Capture fixed and/or another tool/software with a better GUI

frankp wrote on 8/24/2017, 10:22 AM

Launch Video Capture then choose DV, click "Options" then "Preferences"

Click the Capture tab then untick "Stop capture on dropped frames".  Try that and if it still doesn't work, then I would suggest using Virtualdub.  It's free.

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diverG wrote on 8/24/2017, 12:16 PM

Whilst I have working tape based camcorders I have no firewire input on the machine with VP14 installed. You can capture DV via SceneAnalyser.  Similarly use HDSplit will handle HDV  (it's better than Vegas with no missed frames at clip ends) .

Has anyone captured tape in VP14?   The reason I ask is that there was a major problem with tape in the first release of VP11 which took 6 months to fix.  So it might just be 'magix' problem.

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Sys 2 Laptop 'Clevo' i7 6700K @ 3.0ghz, 16gb ram, 250gb SSd + 2Tb hdd,   nvidia 940 M graphics. VP17, Plus Edius 8WG Win 10 Pro (22H2) Resolve18

 

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/25/2017, 2:13 AM

I tried all the above, no luck, one thing tho I noticed before it crashes is that the preview window was messed up, so I turned off preview and it went to record but then gave me at least an error window, something about an COM Interface

Musicvid wrote on 8/25/2017, 7:15 AM

Still looks like bad tape. Is there a little waviness along one edge of the tape?

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/26/2017, 9:20 AM

Yes there is pretty much waviness i must say, but other tapes same errors/crashes otherwise i could just live with it, i even tryd "new" Hi8 Tapes and record a few minutes with no waviness at all, same error/crash :/

Musicvid wrote on 8/26/2017, 10:38 AM

Are the legacy 1394 drivers actually selected in Windows Device Manager?

If so, my remaining suggestion is to capture with a TBC and Scenalyzer.

Best of luck.

Grazie wrote on 8/26/2017, 10:43 AM

The Legacy drivers need to applied to the FireWire chipset. I had to do this manually. Are you doing this?

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Musicvid wrote on 8/26/2017, 10:48 AM

On second thought, if they weren't enabled, Scenalyzer should choke too, right?

frankp wrote on 8/26/2017, 7:03 PM

If so, my remaining suggestion is to capture with a TBC and Scenalyzer.

If you're capturing with an external TBC (which is highly recommended for analog tapes like Video8 and VHS), then he will need an analog capture card, no?

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CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K Coffee Lake 8-Core 3.6 GHz LGA 1151 

Cooler: Noctua NH-L9x65

Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 Designare

RAM: Ballistix Sport LT 32GB DDR4 2400 MT/s

GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX Vega 64 8GB

Capture Card: Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4K

PSU: Corsair RMx Series 850W

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Musicvid wrote on 8/26/2017, 9:18 PM

Well, the AVDC300 I mentioned is its own A-D converter, and accepts both digital and analog input, and digital 1394 output.

So no, an analog card is not the destination. Also, the OP's camera shoots Digital 8, Hi-8, and Video 8, and OP said he shoots all three. So I consider that model of TBC to be a good match for his needs, especially when he is working with old, stressed analog tapes.

I think he should continue to pursue whatever is causing Vegas Capture to act up. However, knowing that wouldn't affect my impression that Scenalyzer with TBC is a better solution, clunky GUI and all.

SphinxRa40 wrote on 8/27/2017, 2:19 PM

Are the legacy 1394 drivers actually selected in Windows Device Manager?

If so, my remaining suggestion is to capture with a TBC and Scenalyzer.

Best of luck.

It's the only 1394 device driver installed, so it has to be selected i presume ?!

The Legacy drivers need to applied to the FireWire chipset. I had to do this manually. Are you doing this?

I have no idea how..please enlighten me Grazie :)

Well, the AVDC300 I mentioned is its own A-D converter, and accepts both digital and analog input, and digital 1394 output.

So no, an analog card is not the destination. Also, the OP's camera shoots Digital 8, Hi-8, and Video 8, and OP said he shoots all three. So I consider that model of TBC to be a good match for his needs, especially when he is working with old, stressed analog tapes.

I think he should continue to pursue whatever is causing Vegas Capture to act up. However, knowing that wouldn't affect my impression that Scenalyzer with TBC is a better solution, clunky GUI and all.

I will and already doing what you advised me before Musicvid, for the while Vegas Capture is broken here

i will have Scenalyzer installed, but IF Vegas Capture is gonna work somehow..someday...whenever the

it will be deleted asap :) Also I did a search yesterday of the AVDC300, not much around (in EU) as far as I could find, I thought btw my camera had a TBC in it to, or I am confused with another model I have/had...