Font looks horrible!

dave-k wrote on 1/6/2018, 7:45 PM

I'm using Vegas Pro 14 and we have recently upgraded from a 720p to 1080p projector. All of my videos were at 720p using Kozuka Gothic Pro H as my font. Why is it that when I change my project properties to 1920x1080 and even set the font frame rate higher (3840x2160) does my font look horrible when displaying on a 1080p projector? The edges of the font don't look crisp at all! Is there something about this font that won't allow 1080p quality or am I doing something wrong? I render using MainConcept AVC/AAC, high profile, progressive scan field order, 2 reference frames, 4 slices, don't allow source to adjust frame size, and a constant bit rate of 10,000,000. I appreciate anyone's help on this! Thanks.

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Former user wrote on 1/6/2018, 8:37 PM

Did you rescale the font when you changed the project properties?

dave-k wrote on 1/6/2018, 9:25 PM

No, it's still at 3840x2160. I didn't think I'd need to do anything to the font size since it's already bigger than the project properties?

Former user wrote on 1/6/2018, 9:45 PM

First off, it shouldn't be that big at all. It should match your project properties. Second, if this was a project previously created at 720p and then converted to 1080, there is a function to scale the fonts correctly in Vegas.It is under scripts called "Resize Generated Media". You might try and see if that fixes the problem.

dave-k wrote on 1/6/2018, 11:31 PM

I was told by someone years ago to make the frame rate for the fonts really big. I will give your idea a try and see what happens. I just started the free trial of Vegas Pro 15 today. What is the best render settings to use for that version? MainConcept AVC/AAC is no longer an option. Thanks.

Musicvid wrote on 1/7/2018, 12:19 AM

That's a completely different type of font. And it was many years back. And inside Vegas you have to use correct scaling for your project. Start from scratch if the top shelf advice given above doesn't resolve.

NickHope wrote on 1/7/2018, 8:24 AM

When you say "frame rate", you mean "resolution". They are different things.

I just started the free trial of Vegas Pro 15 today. What is the best render settings to use for that version? MainConcept AVC/AAC is no longer an option.

MAGIX AVC/AAC is the new equivalent encoder, with added hardware encoding with QSV or NVENC as well as software encoding.

You can enable still enable the old MainConcept AVC/AAC encoder in the internal preferences. Press SHIFT while clicking "Preferences", then open the "Internal" tab and search for "main" and you'll find it. Set it to TRUE and restart Vegas.

The "Internet HD 1080p" template sounds like a good start in either encoder. Match the frame rate to your source's frame rate.

fr0sty wrote on 1/7/2018, 8:59 AM

Resizing the media with the above mentioned script should do the trick. If not, try a third party text plugin or use the other titler in Vegas (pro type I think it was). To elaborate more on what Nick was talking about, frame rate is the number of frames (still images) per second the video plays at. Resolution is the number of pixels in each frame.

dave-k wrote on 1/7/2018, 12:59 PM

Sorry, I meant frame size, not frame rate. I was told to always make that bigger for the font than the project settings. However, resizing like david-tu suggested using the script makes the font look much better. I think that might be the solution (thanks)! I tried the Internet HD 1080p setting like Nick suggested and put the bit rate on 10M. Any ideas why the rendered video came out as 8M? My background video is 10M, so I was trying to keep it consistent.

fr0sty wrote on 1/7/2018, 6:55 PM

Was it 10mbps constant bitrate, or variable? If variable, 10mbps will be the max bitrate it hits (if set for that) and it will vary depending on the complexity of the scene, so it will bounce around at various bitrates but will not exceed 10mbps.

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Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

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Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

dave-k wrote on 1/7/2018, 7:17 PM

It doesn't give an option of constant or variable, it just says "bit rate". I guess it's variable?

dave-k wrote on 1/7/2018, 7:19 PM

When you say "frame rate", you mean "resolution". They are different things.

I just started the free trial of Vegas Pro 15 today. What is the best render settings to use for that version? MainConcept AVC/AAC is no longer an option.

MAGIX AVC/AAC is the new equivalent encoder, with added hardware encoding with QSV or NVENC as well as software encoding.

You can enable still enable the old MainConcept AVC/AAC encoder in the internal preferences. Press SHIFT while clicking "Preferences", then open the "Internal" tab and search for "main" and you'll find it. Set it to TRUE and restart Vegas.

The "Internet HD 1080p" template sounds like a good start in either encoder. Match the frame rate to your source's frame rate.

Nick, is MainConcept AVC/AAC just as good as selecting Internet HD 1080p? Do you still endorse MagicYUV and would it benefit my situation?

NickHope wrote on 1/7/2018, 9:52 PM

Nick, is MainConcept AVC/AAC just as good as selecting Internet HD 1080p?

"Internet HD 1080p" is the name of templates for both the MainConcept AVC/AAC and MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 encoders. It's just a set of settings for either.

Personally, in VP15, I wouldn't bother using the old MainConcept AVC/AAC encoder over the new MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4, but I would use the "Mainconcept AVC" encode mode that is within the MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 encoder (set at the bottom of the "Custom Settings" window). That should give you as good as what you had before, and the MainConcept codec behind it is a later version, so possibly superior.

Yes, it's confusing.

Do you still endorse MagicYUV and would it benefit my situation?

If you're really asking about MagicYUV, and not the MAGIX encoder, then yes, I still endorse it as a lossless digital intermediate. i.e. As part of a workflow on the way to final delivery in another format. I'm not sure it's right for your situation, or would even play back smoothly (or at all) on your projector. Storage can also be an issue; the files are very large compared to most AVC files. You'll probably be fine with a well-encoded AVC file. Read this: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-improve-the-quality-of-my-avc-h-264-renders--104642/ It's a bit out of date but largely still applicable to VP15. The MainConcept recommendations can mostly still be applied to the MAGIX encoder.

dave-k wrote on 1/7/2018, 10:08 PM

Great! I'll give the MAGIX AVC/AAC MP4 encoder a try. Besides changing the profile to "High", constant bit rate to 10M, and the Video rendering quality on the Project tab to "Best", anything else I should be changing?