heavy multicamera editing

curt-danners wrote on 11/12/2019, 10:36 AM

good morning all, i have been doing some promotional video for my band and others. in the past i have used up to 7 cameras with little problems. my newest project involves 14 camera's. needless to say my system is bogged down heavily and the preview window where i call the "shots" is very slow and the lag of the "blue box" makes this almost impossible. my system is a bit older, i have a Ryzen 7 2700x processor, 16gb of corsair 3200 ram, msi 470 gaming pro mb. and 2 ssd's. i am running Vegas pro 16 (i dont know what the build is) would going up another 16gb of ram help,for a total of 32gb? the other option is to add 32 to my 16 for 48gb. i alsohave an older 6850 installed, i dont use the gpu feature.

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fr0sty wrote on 11/12/2019, 10:39 AM

1. Upgrade to a modern Nvidia GPU (10 series or later, RTX preferred). The hardware decoding they support in Vegas can give lots of extra mileage when it comes to editing multicam smoothly.

2. In the mean time, make proxies. It takes some time, but if you go to your project media, CTRL+A to highlight all clips in the media pool, select "make video proxy" from the menu that appears when you right click on the clips, it will begin building proxies.

Proxies work in draft and preview quality only, if you set the preview monitor to good or best, you are seeing your full resolution clips again. The proxies are ignored when you go to render, Vegas will use your full resolution original clips instead.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Musicvid wrote on 11/12/2019, 10:44 AM

You haven't told us anything about your source footage.

Are they the same, mixed resolutions or formats, frame rates?

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

 

curt-danners wrote on 11/12/2019, 12:44 PM

thanks for the quick responses. i have looked around for cards that are available, GTX 1050 ti 's seem pretty reasonably priced. 4 gb, MSI areo, zoltac gtx and Evga gtx are available for 150.00. the RTX series are a little out of my price range right now. i will be doing an additional 32 gb of ram as well asap. is it worth going with the 1050 ti? i will also check the formats and frame rates when i get back home. i have used the same cameras for all my videos with no problems.

fr0sty wrote on 11/12/2019, 7:35 PM

Honestly, 32GB RAM is more than enough for Vegas as far as I can tell (I have 64, and Vegas never uses it all). I'd just add 16gb more, save going higher for when you upgrade your motherboard and CPU so you can swap it all at once for newer generation, faster RAM. I'd invest more in the GPU, it is where much of your performance is going to come from.

1050ti is on the bottom end of the totem pole as far as worthwhile upgrades go, but it'll definitely be better than your current GPU. I'd aim for the 16 series if the 20 series is out of reach.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

fifonik wrote on 11/12/2019, 8:05 PM

1. Upgrade to a modern Nvidia GPU (10 series or later, RTX preferred). The hardware decoding they support in Vegas can give lots of extra mileage when it comes to editing multicam smoothly.

1/2 OFF: It is interesting to read recommendations to upgrade to NVidia GPU and then other recommendations to turn OFF the GPU to deal with VP crashes :)

 

@curt-danners Have you tried to find out your bottleneck? Is it storage sub-system limitations (may be you need to upgrade SATA drivers), CPU limitations or GPU? Open Task Manager | Performance and check what is going on there when you watching preview.

Also, it is not really clear for me if you are using GPU (RX 470 you mentioned) in VP or not.

BTW, do you have smooth preview for all your files placed on single track? It might be possible that some files not supported correctly because of well known here so4 issue and causing your system in multicam editing display slideshow.

And finally, what are your source files? If you are talking about 14 x 4K-60p, I do not think you will be able to have smooth preview without proxies at all.

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fr0sty wrote on 11/12/2019, 9:02 PM

"1/2 OFF: It is interesting to read recommendations to upgrade to NVidia GPU and then other recommendations to turn OFF the GPU to deal with VP crashes :)"

Maybe if most people experienced those crashes, and needed to turn it off, I could see that, but for the most part GPU accel works.

For now, just use proxies. Save your money and get a beefy GPU and some RAM.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)