How to Force to Render at EXACT Project Properties? MS15

Epitome-of-Frustration wrote on 1/14/2021, 12:46 PM

Howdy! I’m working on a project in Movie Studio 15 (the base form, not platinum). This specific project is in 1024x1024 resolution at 35.93 FPS, mainly because that’s what the source footage was created at. I would like to keep it consistent in the final render, but I can’t find any way to specify those settings. I was under the impression that if I just went to Make Movie -> MP4, it’d render it at the resolution and framerate I set in project properties, but for some reason it’s rendering at 1080p and 59.94 FPS. Is there any way to force it to render at the settings I specified in the project properties? I couldn’t find it when I was searching. Please help if you can! Thank you!

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3POINT wrote on 1/14/2021, 12:51 PM

In the base version of VMS there's no possibility to adjust a rendertemplate according non standard project settings.

Epitome-of-Frustration wrote on 1/14/2021, 12:56 PM

Well shoot... that’s very unfortunate. Thank you for letting me know at least!

Musicvid wrote on 1/14/2021, 2:26 PM

Vegas is primarily an encoder, which means the video will always be changed to a new format. That is fundamental to the nonlinear editing process.

The only exceptions are smart rendering of certain AVI and MPEG-2 sources, which you most certainly do not have.

That all said, no video was ever shot at 35.93 FPS. That means your video has already been encoded to a second or subsequent generation, ostensibly at variable frame rate, creating generational losses to quality which are unrecoverable.

For practical advice on encoding or muxing your as-yet unspecified source from our experts, please post the file properties exactly as requested here, thanks:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

@Epitome-of-Frustration

 

Epitome-of-Frustration wrote on 1/15/2021, 2:18 PM

@Musicvid I appreciate your response, and I understand that the video will be reformatted as a result of editing in Vegas. I also understand that the media has already been encoded at a VFR, and unfortunately there is no way for me to avoid this initial encoding. The media in question is recorded directly off of a VR headset known as the Oculus Quest 2, which uses VFR and many other compression techniques when recording that I unfortunately have to deal with. While I would love a method of recording footage from the Oculus Quest 2 without the initial compression, as far as I can tell there is no way to do so without spending more than I have the budget for. The original media's properties are below, as shown by MediaInfo.

General
Complete name                            : D:\OculusRecordings\example.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 310 MiB
Duration                                 : 8 min 35 s
Overall bit rate                         : 5 042 kb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
com.android.version                      : 10Video
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Baseline@L4
Format settings                          : 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 8 min 35 s
Source duration                          : 8 min 35 s
Bit rate                                 : 4 974 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 024 pixels
Height                                   : 1 024 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 1.000
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 35.932 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 3.779 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 45.708 FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.132
Stream size                              : 306 MiB (99%)
Source stream size                       : 306 MiB (99%)
Title                                    : VideoHandle
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.601 PAL
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
transfer_characteristics_Original        : BT.601
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.601
mdhd_Duration                            : 515401
Codec configuration box                  : avcCAudio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 8 min 35 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 64.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Channel layout                           : C
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 3.93 MiB (1%)
Title                                    : SoundHandle
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-14 04:27:03
mdhd_Duration                            : 515307

My main goal of this forum post was to minimize further unnecessary compression artifacts in Movie Studio 15 by rendering at an FPS and resolution as close to the original media as possible. I understand that through the process of encoding, information is guaranteed to be lost. However, I figured if the project and render properties matched the original media's properties closely, this loss would be minimized. I am able to get close with the project properties in Movie Studio 15, I just wanted to know if it was possible to make the render settings match.

General
  Name: example.mp4
  Folder: D:\OculusRecordings
  Type: AVC
  Size: 317.20 MB (324,814,087 bytes)
  Created: Thursday, January 14, 2021, 11:41:25 AM
  Modified: Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 10:27:03 PM
  Accessed: Friday, January 15, 2021, 2:01:33 PM
  Attributes: ArchiveStreams
  Video: 00:08:35.405, 35.931 fps progressive, 1024x1024x32, AVC
  Audio: 00:08:35.263, 48,000 Hz, Mono, AACSummary
  [TCFM]: 1ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: noOther metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: noMedia manager
  Media tags: noPlug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: D:\HD Program Files\Movie Studio 15\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

If 3POINT was right and there's no way to render at non-standard media settings, then I can find other programs to edit the footage with. It's not a huge loss for me if I can't use MS15. I was just wanting to know if it would be possible to do so. If the information I've supplied helps you understand my situation, and you're able to think of an alternative work around, I would greatly appreciate it! But if not, it's not a huge loss. Thank you for engaging and trying to help regardless!

Musicvid wrote on 1/15/2021, 2:48 PM

Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 17 should import your video at correct CFR, all else being compliant.

It has a generous free trial.

As far as muxing  your video to the original format, without recompression of intact GOPs, you might give the trial version of VideoRedo a whirl.

j-v wrote on 1/15/2021, 2:50 PM

@Epitome-of-Frustration
The plain Movie Studio version is the cheapest and most simple of all Vegas versions.
In Vegas Movie Studio Platinum you can alter the rendersettings to your wish and the Vegas Pro versions can even do a lot more.
You can use trials for those programs for 30 days with some limitations.

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Epitome-of-Frustration wrote on 1/15/2021, 2:53 PM

@j-v Yeah, I know. I just got the base version of Movie Studio as part of a humble bundle, figured I can take the sacrifice of quality to save money. But, if I’ve gotta spend some money now, I suppose it’s worth it. Thank you.

And thank you @Musicvid. I appreciate your help.