Jello Stabilize

alifftudm95 wrote on 1/1/2019, 3:24 AM

I'm using VEGAS Pro 16 build number 352 and the new stabilization is very complex and more control. It would be great if Magix alter it one more time to make it a lil bit more user friendly and understandable.

Anyway, Some tricks to stabilize an handheld footage without Jello is to first mask out the Subject that in focus, then stabilize the video clip. Which can be done in Premiere Pro/After Effects. I realize in order to apply the stabilization in VEGAS Pro it must be applied through Media FX, where I can't analyse the masked footage instead and disabled the masking after finishing analysing the video clip.

Bezier Masking in the other hand cant animate the masking manually like the masking in Event PAN/Crop, which is kinda tough to do this "Anti Jello" trick.

Also, footage from a stabilised Gimbal will 100% create micro jitter. This can be fix in VEGAS Pro Post Stabilization using Translation, but when the subject come closer to the camera and isolated from the BG (Depth of Field), VEGAS Pro stabilization will starts to follow the subject motion instead eliminating the jitter. I've seen Pr,AE can eliminate the jitter very well in post.

I Hope Magix can resolve this to make sure the software meet the minimum requirements by professional videographer/editor

 

 

 

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Musicvid wrote on 1/1/2019, 7:19 AM

Thanks for the tips; I know they will benefit many users.

Your first and last statements seem to be at odds, without providing many clues as to which features and controls you find too complicated and which one you find too simple for professional (your) use. I think most stabilization is center-weighted, and I expect one would see differences between different softwares' default zones.

To what degree that either is, or "should be" user controllable in V16 is beyond me, but I'm sure developers would be interested in seeing your uploads, once you have provided them.

alextudm95 wrote on 1/1/2019, 2:24 AM

I'm using VEGAS Pro 16 build number 352 and the new stabilization is very complex and more control. It would be great if Magix alter it one more time to make it a lil bit more user friendly and understandable.

I Hope Magix can resolve this to make sure the software meet the minimum requirements by professional videographer/editor

Which is it?

alifftudm95 wrote on 1/1/2019, 8:25 AM

Thanks for the tips; I know they will benefit many users.

Your first and last statements seem to be at odds, without providing many clues as to which features and controls you find too complicated and which one you find too simple for professional (your) use. I think most stabilization is center-weighted, and I expect one would see differences between different softwares' default zones.

To what degree that either is, or "should be" user controllable in V16 is beyond me, but I'm sure developers would be interested in seeing your uploads, once you have provided them.

alextudm95 wrote on 1/1/2019, 2:24 AM

I'm using VEGAS Pro 16 build number 352 and the new stabilization is very complex and more control. It would be great if Magix alter it one more time to make it a lil bit more user friendly and understandable.

I Hope Magix can resolve this to make sure the software meet the minimum requirements by professional videographer/editor

Which is it?

What I mean by complex is the expert mode, there is some few new toggles and type of tracker like Lucas and etc. I'm not that into stabilization thingy but some user would love to know how does this affect the video.

the new warp mode in VEGAS Pro 16 stabilization does not work that well too, it create noticeable jello even tho the footage its self is kinda "floaty" type of handheld.

It would be cool in Magix can add on like a Pin Point static stabilization like in Final cut. where the pin pointed pixels will stay in the middle of the framing all the time.

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Musicvid wrote on 1/1/2019, 9:15 AM

the new warp mode in VEGAS Pro 16 stabilization does not work that well too, it create noticeable jello even tho the footage its self is kinda "floaty" type of handheld.

It would be cool in Magix can add on like a Pin Point static stabilization like in Final cut. where the pin pointed pixels will stay in the middle of the framing all the time.

Now I am really confused. Are you asking for help with a specific issue not caused by your shutter, or are you you making a feature request?

You descriptions seem to be a shifting target. Without uploaded examples that we can see (not on YouTube), I can promise your needs can't be addressed at the peer forum level. Please start here, esp. C-3.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

Thanks, and welcome to the forums.

VEGASPascal wrote on 1/1/2019, 10:06 AM

@alifftudm95 First of all. Happy new year and thanks for your feedback. This is always helpful... but what are you missing as a requirement?

I know that the users would like to see that the stabilization is an EventFX but this would open a wide area of problems to solve (resolution, quality, frame number in the database, effect-chain, post-trimming after stabilization and so on). This is the big difference for a MediaFX (subclip).

At the moment we are working to help you to understand the difference between a simple Basic mode, a normal Professional mode and an advanced Expert mode. In the Expert mode you are able to select the region of interest, the grid size, the number of tracks, the tracker type (Lucas kanade, SAD) and the motion model for the compensation with keyframing parameters.

First of all you have to understand what a motion model is... because you have to find the best model for you. If you are holding the camera (static camera) without movement the 'Translation' is the best choice. If the camera is moving or zooming you need the 'Scale' factor to compensate the zoom jitter. 'Warp' is not everytime the best choice by default. You often need it if your camera perspective is changing.

In all cases the stabilization is a methode for smoothing the camera model to eliminate the jitter of your hand. In your last post you are writting about a different kind of stabilization - like freezing the frame in the middle. This would only works for a fixed/static camera. Otherwise you will receive big black borders. This would be interesting but is only usefull in this very special case.

Could you send my you file via Dropbox (link as PM)?

Musicvid wrote on 1/1/2019, 10:23 AM

In the Expert mode you are able to select the region of interest, the grid size, the number of tracks, the tracker type (Lucas kanade, SAD) and the motion model for the compensation with keyframing parameters.

That is what I assumed, but not owning 16 myself...

Alex, it seems that the controls you want are available in Expert Mode, but you do not yet fully understand them.

Going forward, if you will but frame your questions in that context, you will get more help and assistance than you may even need. That's a promise. Newbie questions are welcome here.

 

AVsupport wrote on 1/1/2019, 6:07 PM

I had my first test with the **all new and improved** Stabilizer yesterday, trying to stabilize internal realestate clips (50p on a 25PAL timeline) that were done with an A7iii (body stabilized), a 10-18mm lens (stabilized) and a RoninS. There is movement errors on Y axix (from walking, up and down), and a light sway in the Roll Axis (which is mostly a position error and not a horizon issue). Camera is moving through a static room.

I have copied the same clip section a few times trying to find the better tool / configuration. However copy/pasting the clip doesn't seem to be the right approach as the effect is applied to all media (and thus all copies?), and not only a small section to it. Changing the parameters on the consecutive copies will eventually trigger a crash. The majority of the stabilized images were worse than the original (yello, micro jitters, wobble, as described by @alextudm95), but then again that could just be user error.

Hoping to find a good outcome, I shall continue the investigation and post some findings soonish.

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alifftudm95 wrote on 1/2/2019, 9:37 AM

In the Expert mode you are able to select the region of interest, the grid size, the number of tracks, the tracker type (Lucas kanade, SAD) and the motion model for the compensation with keyframing parameters.

That is what I assumed, but not owning 16 myself...

Alex, it seems that the controls you want are available in Expert Mode, but you do not yet fully understand them.

Going forward, if you will but frame your questions in that context, you will get more help and assistance than you may even need. That's a promise. Newbie questions are welcome here.

 

I write down more detail in this post

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/feedback-video-stabilizer--114211/#ca707053

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