Mixing resolutions and frame rates

halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 4:25 PM

Hi,

I've currently run into a issue. I am recording game play at 1920*1080 at 60 FPS and Camera footage at 1280*720 at 60 FPS and using them in the same project as i need to both video files. Is there a away I can render this project with good quality using 60 FPS keeping the original video qualities. If possible can someone please tell me the best rendering settings i can use please (preferably 1080p).

Extra info :

It is possible to change to record my camera footage at 1920*1080 at 30 FPS. If this is a better option.

 

Thank you

 

 

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TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/16/2017, 4:49 PM

What are you rendering to? 30 or 60fps? If it's 60fps, keep everything at 60. No interlace issues I'm figuring. If it's 30fps you can change the camera to 30 to save space & make sure you disable resampling on the 60fps stuff (if it's on). Will help eliminate possible ghosting.

halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:01 PM

What are you rendering to? 30 or 60fps? If it's 60fps, keep everything at 60. No interlace issues I'm figuring. If it's 30fps you can change the camera to 30 to save space & make sure you disable resampling on the 60fps stuff (if it's on). Will help eliminate possible ghosting.

Rendering to 60 FPS but should I render in 1080 or 720 p ?

 

OldSmoke wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:05 PM

I would say it depends on what he is recording with his camera. If the camera footage doesn't include fast motion but rather talking heads, than I would record at 1080 30fps, put it on the timeline, disable resample and render it all out as 60fps 1080. That would maintain the best resolution.

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halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:07 PM

It will be recording alot of motion

halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:11 PM

Rendering to 60 FPS but should I render in 1080 or 720 p ?

It depends on your export-goal.
The best is 1080p and to advice a template I need to know which programversion you are using.

Sony Vegas Pro 15.0

halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:15 PM

Rendering to 60 FPS but should I render in 1080 or 720 p ?

It depends on your export-goal.
The best is 1080p and to advice a template I need to know which programversion you are using.

To be honest I just want good quality

OldSmoke wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:23 PM

Rendering to 60 FPS but should I render in 1080 or 720 p ?

It depends on your export-goal.
The best is 1080p and to advice a template I need to know which programversion you are using.

To be honest I just want good quality

You will have to compromise as your two sources are not the same.

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halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:26 PM

Rendering to 60 FPS but should I render in 1080 or 720 p ?

It depends on your export-goal.
The best is 1080p and to advice a template I need to know which programversion you are using.

To be honest I just want good quality

You will have to compromise as your two sources are not the same.

sorry ima bit new when it comes to this stuff lol. What does that mean exactly and how do I do that ?

Musicvid wrote on 9/16/2017, 5:36 PM

Visually, downscaling 1080 to 720 is less destructive than upscaling 720 to 1080.

Either is a tradeoff because they're not the same resolution.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/16/2017, 6:00 PM

Since everything contains fast motion, I would rather follow Musicvid's advice. Record 720 60p with the camera and render all out to 720 60p.

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halas-F wrote on 9/16/2017, 6:43 PM

Is it possible if you can give me project settings and render settings ?

 

Musicvid wrote on 9/16/2017, 7:39 PM

1. Set your project properties to match your 720p media. There's a button for that.

2. Set your render properties to match your 720p media framerate and resolution.

That, to me, is the safest and least destructive option. Honor the lowest common denominator unless, of course, it is unimportant.

3POINT wrote on 9/17/2017, 2:11 AM

Visually, downscaling 1080 to 720 is less destructive than upscaling 720 to 1080.

Can you explain why upscaling 720 to 1080 is more destructive than downscaling 1080 to 720?

Musicvid wrote on 9/17/2017, 6:27 AM

Because interpolation is inherently dumber than decimation. That's just my theory.

3POINT wrote on 9/17/2017, 7:50 AM

My personal experience is that downscaling always gives a visual loss against the original, while upscaling gives no visual loss against the original. Wow, upscaling 720 to 1080 will give in worst case still a 720 look, while downscaling 1080 to 720 will never give a 1080 look but definitely a 720 look.

Former user wrote on 9/17/2017, 8:33 AM

If you are watching video on the same TV, then upscaling would look better than downscaling. For example, if your TV is a 1080 resolution, then your 720 video is being upscaled anyway so in theory, upscaling it in software will look the same as watching it on a hardware upscale. Same with a 4k TV, everything you watch (unless you produce in 4k) will be upscaled.

 

But I agree with musicvid, that technically more harm is done to a video when upscaling than downscaling.

Musicvid wrote on 9/17/2017, 9:18 AM

I did realize I need to choose my words carefully, so how about suggesting to render to match the source that is most important to you, and leave it at that?

3POINT wrote on 9/17/2017, 10:17 AM

When mixing different resolutions and/or framerates, I render always to the highest used resolution and with the highest used framerate.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/17/2017, 10:32 AM

I would just simply test it. It seems obvious that 60p is the better frame rate, now it's only a matter if upscaling or downscaling looks better. Just render two short sections and make a visual test.

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3POINT wrote on 9/17/2017, 12:14 PM

Like 60p is obvious the better framerate, 1080p is obvious the better resolution.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 9/17/2017, 12:35 PM

... 1080p is obvious the better resolution.

If the source is also 1080p. I would also say it depends where the OP is going to watch it. If it's YT only, 720 60p has better playback performance.

 

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