Well, I made sure "Ripple" was off.  I put in splits on Camera 2 right where Cam 3 stopped and started on the time line, selected the audio of Cam 2 between the splits, right clicked and clicked on "copy". clicked on the empty space between the splits, right clicked and selected past.  Now Additional blank space appeared on both sides of the audio I pasted into the blank space and the cam 3 track moved to the right. To me that makes no sense. If you want to cut and paste audio from one track to the other, why would you want the program to expand the gap you are dropping the audio into and blow up your sync with the other two cameras and other two sound tracks. Here is a before and after screen shot, It also took the video as well from Cam 2, I only had the audio selected when I copied.  I just though it would be easier to use one sound track for ambient audio so I only have to worry about jacking one ambient audio sound track up and down in my mix.

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This sure sounds like a ripple problem. It should not do this. Toggle through the ripple a couple of times.

Here is a screen shot, and yes I have cycled "Ripple" several times. When ripple is on it has a check mark next to it.

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I just grabbed it and manually sync'd everything back up.  I hope when I select multi-cam and start switching between cameras that it does not switch the audio, I want to stay on Cam 3 for ambient audio. When I was trying to use FCPX, there was a switch on the multi-cam screen to switch video & Audio, Video or Audio. I hope Vegas has a similar option. Should I adjust my cam 3 audio before I multi-cam?

Try turning off "slip all takes". 

I use Quadcam of the Vasst Ultimate S Pro 4.1 plugin which is much more intuitive than the in-built Vegas Pro plugin. Vegas does not switch the audio to the camera as far as I am aware, only the video. All audio tracks get combined which can get echoey. I can't understand why you would want to switch audio because of the jump in quality, volume etc. I usually use only 1 of the audio feeds and mute the rest. If I need to use a section of audio from one video track, I unmute that track and use volume automation (the red gear symbol and then click on the grey gear on the Vol slider) to control the db (volume) and then lower/raise/silence it as needed. Once it is enabled, if you double click on the blue/grey volume line, it adds a marker that you can drag up, down and along and duck your audio as required.

The way to work with multicam audio is to save all synced raw audio tracks to new ones BEFORE entering multicam edit mode. That way you can cherry-pick the audio tracks and change your mind at will to arrive at a smooth master. Working with the split-up audio on the multicam track is kind of a dead-end option, but may work for quick ENG editing.

This video is a two hour long show where I have the announcer and a couple of songs on a audio track from my Tascam DR-60, the other 38 songs are ripped from the performer's CD they use for their performance and sync'd to the video. Then I have camera audio from each camera which I used for syncing and want to cut and past a few holes in the audio track of Cam 3 to use as ambient sound so I can get the audience and a little bit of rink echo to make the final audio richer. The final video seems more pleasing when you can hear the audience react during the performance and a touch of echo seems to bring you into the video more. 

One of the challenges I have had is that the rink CD player seems to skip a second or two every once in a while. Syncing to the video requires some audio slicing. The rinks have brokedown equipment, if I do this again, I am bringing my mixer and cd decks (if I don't already have the show audio ripped onto my iPad in Mix16-64). Running shows based on jockeying CD's is a headache.

Thanks for the advice, I have a lot of learning to do. This is my 1st video using Vegas.

"Rink CD player" sounds like an ice skating shoot, which is what I also do. In terms of losing sync, most CD players do play at a consistent speed, but those used by DJ's and entertainment venues have a potentiometer or similar technology to vary speed. I have been to weddings where the DJ will do this on the fly to transition to the next track smoothly. I am not saying that the rink DJ is doing this, but if the equipment has the potential to do it (adjust speed) you will have that problem. Either that or the CD player is some cheap chinese knock-off.

If the CD player is definitely skipping you should hear it quite clearly. Perhaps the CD's themselves are dirty or the player needs a clean with a CD cleaner.

This video is a two hour long show where I have the announcer and a couple of songs on a audio track from my Tascam DR-60, the other 38 songs are ripped from the performer's CD they use for their performance and sync'd to the video. Then I have camera audio from each camera which I used for syncing and want to cut and past a few holes in the audio track of Cam 3 to use as ambient sound so I can get the audience and a little bit of rink echo to make the final audio richer. The final video seems more pleasing when you can hear the audience react during the performance and a touch of echo seems to bring you into the video more. 

One of the challenges I have had is that the rink CD player seems to skip a second or two every once in a while. Syncing to the video requires some audio slicing. The rinks have brokedown equipment, if I do this again, I am bringing my mixer and cd decks (if I don't already have the show audio ripped onto my iPad in Mix16-64). Running shows based on jockeying CD's is a headache.

Thanks for the advice, I have a lot of learning to do. This is my 1st video using Vegas.

Hi Rob, I would recommend purchasing Plural Eyes thru Red Giant.  Its pricey, but the first time you use and save time manually syncing footage will be worth its price.  Once Plural Eyes syncs your footage, export it back to Vegas and my 3 camera shoot looks like the screen shot below, all audio/video sync'd with the 3 cameras.  Next highlight the 3 video tracks as inidcated in Blue.  Go up to the tool drop down at the top, scroll down to Multicamera, click create multicamera track.  This will merge the 3 video tracks into 1 track and leave the 3 audio tracks untouched.  Looks like image 2.

Now go back to tool, multicamera, click on enable multicamera editing. Should look like this.

Once you complete the multicamera edit, go back to tool, multicamera, and click on expand to multiple tracks and click no for unused takes.  Now you can finalize color correcting, FX etc. for each track and VIOLA!! done.

Very similar work flow to my own Kurt. Another little tip; once you've expanded to multiple tracks, place the curser at the start of a video event from either of the other 2 camera, and right click to 'open in trimmer'. Then toggle (use TAB) to the audio, and drag it to the timeline below the video - it'll sync up perfectly. Easy to just stretch that to the end of timeline for another choice of audio. I generally have 4 to 5 audio sources to choose from, and 'rubberband' them all to create a master track.

Once you complete the multicamera edit, go back to tool, multicamera, and click on expand to multiple tracks and click no for unused takes.  Now you can finalize color correcting, FX etc. for each track and VIOLA!! done.

You can color correct and anything else you want on the multicam clip too, no reason to expand it. Especially applying transitions is a lot easier as you can select multiple cuts and drag and drop a transition on one cut and it will be applied to all selected cuts.

Figure skating events are what I do mostly and usually with 3-4 cams. I tried Plural eyes but found to be inaccurate. I use now setup all my cameras, point the. to the center as use a camera flash. later I visually sync the tracks to the flash. I don't rip CDs, we recently changed to playing from a laptop and I use the live feed.

One important step I do before creating the multicam track is to color match all cameras on a media FX level as this is the only place FXs are not affected by the multicam track creation.

in FCPX, you may be able to reopen the 'merged' multicam takes, and then resync. However, in Vegas Pro, It's not quite easy to get back and forth.

Also, for Ripple task, there are 3 behaviors of Ripple task, 'Affecting that single track only', 'affecting the single track including markers, tags, etc...' or 'All Track'. To keep everything in sync, make sure you select 'All Track' Ripple mode - and position your playhead NOT in the middle of any clips that you want those stay together sync-ed.

Is it ok to keep asking questions? 

More issues, now my audio and video are separated. Earlier when I would slide the video or audio of a camera, the audio and video moved together, now they are separate. I can not find a solution via google. Also my 3 camera tracks are now pink, not sure how that happened, might it be a clue?

It seems like I am stepping on land mines everwhere. I have been trying to trim out some dead space, but I have to split each video and audio track of each camera, delete eaqch space between splits on each track and then re-sync everything manually.

Is it ok to keep asking questions? 

More issues, now my audio and video are separated. Earlier when I would slide the video or audio of a camera, the audio and video moved together, now they are separate. I can not find a solution via google. Also my 3 camera tracks are now pink, not sure how that happened, might it be a clue?

It seems like I am stepping on land mines everwhere. I have been trying to trim out some dead space, but I have to split each video and audio track of each camera, delete eaqch space between splits on each track and then re-sync everything manually.

Pink means you audio is out of sync with the video. I dont understand why you seperated the audio from the video.

Rob-h,

The workflow that I use when working w/ multicam video and audio is:

1. edit the audio first and create a master audio track

2. line up the videos to this master audio track

3. edit the multi-cam video as others have described above.

I've tried to work on the audio and video at the same time and have run into many of the sync issues you're expierencing. 

My vids can contain 15 or more audio tracks from 2-4 cameras, mics and portable recorders and external microphones. Trying to edit video along w/ the audio is very challenging to say the least so I broke down the editing into two phases: 1 - Audio, 2 - Video.

A couple theads have been posted similar to this but I a retard on this form and cant seem to find the SEARCH to link the threads to assist you.

" I dont understand why you seperated the audio from the video." - Neither do I have been starting over on this project more than once a week for the past 10 weeks, I really try not to make more problems.  

I must have hit some key or accidently.  Earlier I was trying to copy audio from a camera track to another camera track, but every time I tried it, I got both the video and audio. That means that all 3 cameras are out of sync with audio?  I have been re-syncing audio since 7AM today, every time I cut out some dead time I have to manually sync all of the cd track songs back up from where I cut to the end of the video. Too bad there is not a way to keep these CD tracks locked in sync to the video they belong to. 

Is there no saving it, should I just start over again?

" I dont understand why you seperated the audio from the video." - Neither do I have been starting over on this project more than once a week for the past 10 weeks, I really try not to make more problems.  

I must have hit some key or accidently.  Earlier I was trying to copy audio from a camera track to another camera track, but every time I tried it, I got both the video and audio. That means that all 3 cameras are out of sync with audio?  I have been re-syncing audio since 7AM today, every time I cut out some dead time I have to manually sync all of the cd track songs back up from where I cut to the end of the video. Too bad there is not a way to keep these CD tracks locked in sync to the video they belong to. 

Is there no saving it, should I just start over again?

I think you biggest issue is that you expanded the multicam track and that you split the audio from the video which makes it even harder. I assume you do want to use any or only of the cameras audio? If so, just duplicate the audio track you want to keep and mute the rest. Just make sure it is linked and synchronized with the correct video.

This is a what my usual 3 cam project looks like; all finished and color corrected. The difference is I dont expand the multicam track and I also gave up on syncing up CDs but rather have the sound from the sound system recorded straight inot one of my cameras.

I am trying to get Cam 3's audio as continuous audio keeping Cam 1 and Cam 2 muted. The probelm is getting audio to patch in from another camera. I get video and audio when I copy and past. There are gaps in Cam 3's audio from battery changes.

I prematurely went to multi-cam, I though I could just go back as I had more audio issues to deal with and thought I need to fix them before I went to multi-cam.  It looks like that may be a one way street, once you're on it there is no going back. 

I know it's a pain but I would start over again, getting what you have to work will take longer. Make sure you are creating a video only multicam track.

Take a look at what I have now, can I multicam this?  

I might start over once I get the skaters a DVD, I am about 6 weeks over due, starting over could add another 2 to 3 weeks to the project. 

I *would* like to start over and find out how to edit the audio down to one track, that would really make things easy. I also just purchased Pluraeyes, I did not want to try it until I had somewhat of a handle on Vegas (probably 6 more months). 

If I can multicam this and drop some graphics on it, I will worry about pretty on the next show that is waiting to be edited.

I have the Detroit Skating Club Ice Show to do next, it was a HUGE show, professionally organized, professional audio & lighting, and the Skaters were world class (and my daughter was in it).

Final Cut had some nice features, but its shortcomings were many..., glad I am now using Vegas.

Rob

Once you expanded the track you can't go back without losing any fx applied on an event level and track level, only media level will be intact.

My two daughters are figure skaters too done here in Houston, if been doing this for almost ten years.