Output file is double the length(MB/Minutes)of the work file

HisEvilness wrote on 11/30/2019, 2:32 PM

Hello, I have just rendered a video multiple times but for some reason, it is twice the size of what it says in Vegas Pro 15. I have checked the raw video files and both are slightly more than a minute. But the output file is double the file size and double the time length(6 minutes +). I have used the same settings before, workspace and render settings. What am I missing?

Program: Vegas Pro 15.

Win 10 64, Ryzen 5 1600X OC, 16Gb DDR4, AMD 570 4GB.

Files, Samsung Galaxy A7 recording + Screen Capture using OBS + Thumbnail images from PS CS6.

YT video upload.

GPU rendering off, Using AMD --> Use this setting to create an MP4 (AVC/AAC) file for progressive internet downloads using AMD's VCE.
Audio: 192 Kbps, 96.000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 59,940 fps, 1920x1080 Progressive, YUV, 20 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,000

Media Info Report.

  • General
    Complete name               : E:\Stream Recordings\iCue\Tai-Hao_Sunshine_PBT_Doubleshot.mp4
    Format                      : MPEG-4
    Format profile              : Base Media
    Codec ID                    : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
    File size                   : 8.97 MiB
    Duration                    : 1 min 25 s
    Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
    Overall bit rate            : 878 kb/s
    Writing application         : Lavf58.20.100

    Video
    ID                          : 1
    Format                      : AVC
    Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile              : High@L5
    Format settings             : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
    Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
    Format settings, Reference  : 4 frames
    Codec ID                    : avc1
    Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration                    : 1 min 25 s
    Bit rate                    : 867 kb/s
    Width                       : 2 560 pixels
    Height                      : 1 440 pixels
    Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
    Frame rate mode             : Constant
    Frame rate                  : 30.000 FPS
    Color space                 : YUV
    Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                   : 8 bits
    Scan type                   : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.008
    Stream size                 : 8.86 MiB (99%)
    Writing library             : x264 core 157 r2945 72db437
    Encoding settings           : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=10 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=16.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
    Codec configuration box     : avcC

    Audio
    ID                          : 2
    Format                      : AAC LC
    Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
    Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
    Duration                    : 1 min 25 s
    Bit rate mode               : Variable
    Bit rate                    : 2 089 b/s
    Maximum bit rate            : 128 kb/s
    Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
    Channel layout              : L R
    Sampling rate               : 44.1 kHz
    Frame rate                  : 43.066 FPS (1024 SPF)
    Compression mode            : Lossy
    Stream size                 : 21.8 KiB (0%)
    Title                       : simple_aac_recording
    Default                     : Yes
    Alternate group             : 1

  • General
    Complete name               : E:\Stream Recordings\iCue\Tai-Hao_Sunshine_PBT_Doubleshot_B-Roll.mp4
    Format                      : MPEG-4
    Format profile              : Base Media / Version 2
    Codec ID                    : mp42 (isom/mp42)
    File size                   : 196 MiB
    Duration                    : 1 min 35 s
    Overall bit rate            : 17.3 Mb/s
    Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    com.android.version         : 8.0.0

    Video
    ID                          : 1
    Format                      : AVC
    Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile              : High@L4
    Format settings             : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
    Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
    Format settings, Reference  : 1 frame
    Format settings, GOP        : M=1, N=30
    Codec ID                    : avc1
    Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration                    : 1 min 35 s
    Bit rate                    : 17.0 Mb/s
    Width                       : 1 920 pixels
    Height                      : 1 080 pixels
    Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
    Rotation                    : 90°
    Frame rate mode             : Variable
    Frame rate                  : 30.033 FPS
    Minimum frame rate          : 29.693 FPS
    Maximum frame rate          : 30.375 FPS
    Color space                 : YUV
    Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
    Bit depth                   : 8 bits
    Scan type                   : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.273
    Stream size                 : 193 MiB (98%)
    Title                       : VideoHandle
    Language                    : English
    Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    mdhd_Duration               : 95029
    Codec configuration box     : avcC

    Audio
    ID                          : 2
    Format                      : AAC LC
    Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
    Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
    Duration                    : 1 min 34 s
    Source duration             : 1 min 35 s
    Source_Duration_FirstFrame  : 3 ms
    Bit rate mode               : Constant
    Bit rate                    : 256 kb/s
    Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
    Channel layout              : L R
    Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz
    Frame rate                  : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
    Compression mode            : Lossy
    Stream size                 : 2.90 MiB (1%)
    Source stream size          : 2.90 MiB (1%)
    Title                       : SoundHandle
    Language                    : English
    Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 17:04:20
    mdhd_Duration               : 94997

Vegas Info Properties.

  • General
      Name: Tai-Hao_Sunshine_PBT_Doubleshot_B-Roll.mp4
      Folder: E:\Stream Recordings\iCue
      Type: AVC
      Size: 200,49 MB (205.304.223 bytes)
      Created: 30 November 2019, 18:12:57
      Modified: 30 November 2019, 18:04:20
      Accessed: 30 November 2019, 18:13:05
      Attributes: Archive

    Streams
      Video: 00:01:35,032, 30,032 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
      Audio: 00:01:34,953, 48.000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

    Summary
      [TCFM]: 1

    ACID information
      ACID chunk: no
      Stretch chunk: no
      Stretch list: no
      Stretch info2: no
      Beat markers: no
      Detected beats: no

    Other metadata
      Regions/markers: no
      Command markers: no

    Media manager
      Media tags: no

    Plug-In
      Name: so4compoundplug.dll
      Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
      Format: AVC
      Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
      Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

  • General
      Name: Tai-Hao_Sunshine_PBT_Doubleshot.mp4
      Folder: E:\Stream Recordings\iCue
      Type: AVC
      Size: 9,18 MB (9.403.863 bytes)
      Created: 30 November 2019, 18:11:26
      Modified: 30 November 2019, 18:09:15
      Accessed: 30 November 2019, 18:11:27
      Attributes: Archive

    Streams
      Video: 00:01:25,667, 30,000 fps progressive, 2560x1440x32, AVC
      Audio: 00:01:25,564, 44.100 Hz, Stereo, AAC

    Summary
      [TCFM]: 7

    ACID information
      ACID chunk: no
      Stretch chunk: no
      Stretch list: no
      Stretch info2: no
      Beat markers: no
      Detected beats: no

    Other metadata
      Regions/markers: no
      Command markers: no

    Media manager
      Media tags: no

    Plug-In
      Name: so4compoundplug.dll
      Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
      Format: AVC
      Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
      Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

Output File:

Comments

j-v wrote on 11/30/2019, 2:36 PM

What am I missing?

Better is to ask what we are missing to help you with YOUR problem.
Look here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

 

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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HisEvilness wrote on 11/30/2019, 2:44 PM

What am I missing?

Better is to ask what we are missing to help you with YOUR problem.
Look here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

 

Hello, I've added some additional information thank you for your reply.

Musicvid wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:04 PM

That is not the information requested or required in order for anyone to be able to help you. This is a technical forum.

Click the link, provide all of the information in Section C for both source and output, and we'll call that a start...

HisEvilness wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:29 PM

That is not the information requested or required in order for anyone to be able to help you. This is a technical forum.

Click the link, provide all of the information in Section C for both source and output, and we'll call that a start...

Hello, thank you for your reply I think I covered all the info in the edit.

j-v wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:44 PM

No you did not.
For searching why your output file is bigger than you ( and maybe Vegas) was expecting we have to know your projectsettings and your exactly rendertemplate (which codec used and other (maybe customized) settings).

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

j-v wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:49 PM

@HisEvilness

BTW.
It is a good use here not updating your opening post everytime but to react on the made comments with the new information you want to provide below that comment.

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

HisEvilness wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:53 PM

@HisEvilness

BTW.
It is a good use here not updating your opening post everytime but to react on the made comments with the new information you want to provide below that comment.

My Render:

Use this setting to create an MP4 (AVC/AAC) file for progressive internet downloads using AMD's VCE.
Audio: 192 Kbps, 96.000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo, AAC
Video: 59,940 fps, 1920x1080 Progressive, YUV, 20 Mbps
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,000

Output Media Info.

General
Complete name               : E:\Stream Recordings\iCue\Tai-Hao_Sunshine_PBT_Doubleshot_iCue_showcase.mp4
Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                    : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                   : 862 MiB
Duration                    : 6 min 42 s
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 17.9 Mb/s
Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42
Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.2
Format settings             : CABAC / 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, Reference  : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP        : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 6 min 42 s
Bit rate                    : 17.8 Mb/s
Width                       : 1 920 pixels
Height                      : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 16:9
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 30.000 FPS
Standard                    : Component
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.287
Stream size                 : 857 MiB (99%)
Language                    : English
Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42
Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42
Color range                 : Limited
Codec configuration box     : avcC

Audio
ID                          : 2
Format                      : AAC LC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
Duration                    : 3 min 21 s
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 187 kb/s
Maximum bit rate            : 657 kb/s
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel layout              : L R
Sampling rate               : 96.0 kHz
Frame rate                  : 93.750 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 4.49 MiB (1%)
Language                    : English
Encoded date                : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42
Tagged date                 : UTC 2019-11-30 18:53:42

Musicvid wrote on 11/30/2019, 3:58 PM

The problem is in your source, not your output. 867 Kbps is ridiculously low for 4k capture. Try 20-25Mbps ABR. It will also look better. Your output is 17 Mbps 1080p, pretty large. Try 10-12 Mbps.

Your levels are clipped, but we can deal with that later.

HisEvilness wrote on 11/30/2019, 4:07 PM

The problem is in your source, not your output. 867 Kbps is ridiculously low for 4k capture. Try 30Mbps ABR. Your output is 17 Mbps 1080p, pretty large. Try 10-12 Mbps.

Your levels are clipped, but we can deal with that later.

Ah my source for the phone I installed a MOD that must be the problem. Thank you for your time.