I didn't even realise there is a syncing feature in VP17! I've had Pluraleyes since June 2013 and its always worked great for me - and very quick - so I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it even though its now rather pricey.

I routinely do multicam with anything from two to four or more cams and a similar number of standalone audio devices which may run for well over an hour and none of which offer time codes. Pluraleyes can adapt for audio drift automatically and provide both the non-drift and the drifted versions. That can be important if you have more than one audio source playing at the same time in your final product because the audio can sound nasty if drift is not corrected even if a few frames out of true sync.

I have not tested the Happy Otter scripts. One which is of particular interest to m,e in addition to syncing is the 4k proxy file facility.

I'm trying out Davinci Resolve Studio at present partly because apparently it offers syncing. Not because I don't like VP, quite the opposite and I have it since VP9 in July 2009. What prompted me is the upgrade pricing from my present VP18 to VP19 at £140 and VP17 to VP18 had cost me £199 in Jan 2021, 15 to 17 was £169 in Jan 2020, 13 to 15 was £209 in July 2018 etc. The various VP add-ons e.g. Boris were of little interest to me and they appeared to be more like extended trials for expensive upgrades needed when later upgrading Vegas. Whereas DRS17 is £249 all in including (at present) a free Speed Editor and the DR17 free version has a lot of functionality.

So thats a rather left-field way of tackling syncing :- ) However I am finding that learning an alternative NLE helps me to understand more with VP and I may well continue with both especially as I use Vegasaur a lot and would add Happy Otter. Also you can still easily render DVD's in VP then burn in DVD Architect Pro whereas DR17 sends you all around the houses.

First of all, do your video clips have time code? If so, SMPTE, what?

Pluraleyes is kind of of expensive. I'm a big fan of Happy Otter Scripts with AudioSyncR, cheaper all around than Pluraleyes. Try the free trial, and there is plenty of help here to get you started.

https://tools4vegas.com/home/

Musicvid, thanks for the link. I'll look into that. Plural Eyes is expensive (as noted by Peter in this thread) - $80.00 when paid monthly, but it works fantastic. I downloaded a free trial and it synced three cameras and five audio tracks within a few frames of each other; and it did it in just a few minutes AND corrected for drift. Very impressive.

No, the video files don't contain time codes. To boot, they're all three different cameras with very different temperatures shot in low light. Oh, the joy. (Note to self: remove tongue from cheek.) I'm editing for a friend who shot the wedding.

P.S. Upon trying Plural Eyes for the first time (last night) I noticed that the sync isn't dead on spot on perfect. The audio files were shifted, some early, some late, by up to two frames. That produced an echo that will have to be manually adjusted with "quantize to key frames" unchecked.

I downloaded the trial version of Happy Otter and watched a how-to video on AudioSyncR. The claim is 100% accuracy. I'll test it and see.

In the end, it's better, and cheaper, to purchase the Otter rather than "leasing" Plural Eyes at $599 per year when paid yearly.

Strewth, that price for Pluraleyes is silly high now that you don't seem to have it standalone or as one-off payments. Maybe the switch of Red Giant into Maxon has brought that on. I paid $79 for it in June 2013 and $99 for an upgrade from 3 to 4 in Sept 2018. And that was it. If I were new I would not touch it with the proverbial bargepole!

Obviously software developers in general are under pressure with the newish methods and charge plans available from competitors but I am under pressure as well. I've long since dumped Photoshop for Affinity Photo, Dreamweaver for Squarespace, Word for Open Office etc and just have a few high-price apps such as the Capture One Pro RAW photo editor.

It works differently, and better than Pluraleyes in my estimation. The "Loop Region" method is my favorite; I wouldn't try to sync the whole program. He actually used one of my productions for this demo video.

https://tools4vegas.com/wp-content/uploads/LongProgramSyncing.mp4

It works differently, and better than Pluraleyes in my estimation. The "Loop Region" method is my favorite; I wouldn't try to sync the whole program. He actually used one of my productions for this demo video.

https://tools4vegas.com/wp-content/uploads/LongProgramSyncing.mp4

Musicvid, I smiled at your video link above because I just finished watching that exact video about an hour before reading your post. :-)

P.S. I'm considering syncing in DaVinci and importing to Vegas... for FREE. Big learning curve. Not sure I'm up to the task just yet, but free is good.

I'm not familiar with the audio sync options in DaVinci. Be sure to share your experience.

I'm not familiar with the audio sync options in DaVinci. Be sure to share your experience.

Nor am I familiar with DaVinci sync options. They are apparently available (via internet search). I have a deadline on the current wedding project and have decided to compare Happy Otter and Plural Eyes trial versions rather than digging deep into DaVinci. What I know about that program could be put in a thimble, but that's just me.

Leaning more toward the Otter at this point because it's a one-time purchase vs. leasing.
 

I'll be glad to walk you through your first project. I've got some time on my hands during rehab.

I'll be glad to walk you through your first project. I've got some time on my hands during rehab.

Thank you very much for the offer and I'll gladly accept as I have two multi-cam weddings in the queue and would like to finish both soon.

Teamviewer? Zoom? I can do today after 3 pm Mountain (Friday) or anytime tomorrow.

Strewth, that price for Pluraleyes is silly high now that you don't seem to have it standalone or as one-off payments. Maybe the switch of Red Giant into Maxon has brought that on. I paid $79 for it in June 2013 and $99 for an upgrade from 3 to 4 in Sept 2018. And that was it. If I were new I would not touch it with the proverbial bargepole!

Obviously software developers in general are under pressure with the newish methods and charge plans available from competitors but I am under pressure as well. I've long since dumped Photoshop for Affinity Photo, Dreamweaver for Squarespace, Word for Open Office etc and just have a few high-price apps such as the Capture One Pro RAW photo editor.

"If I were new I would not touch it with the proverbial bargepole!" Okay, I laughed at that.

I hope your etc. list includes https://www.getpaint.net/

I am deaf, so I work better with written communication, thanks.

I am deaf, so I work better with written communication, thanks.

Right to the point, and not to be rude, how does that work when editing audio? I'm intrigued.

I've been using Vegas for five years plus and that's largely based on documentary-style videos with single-track narration and background music now and then. I'm new to multi-cam and syncing.

I'll be glad to walk you through your first project. I've got some time on my hands during rehab.

I'm stuck on step one. Trying to select events to be synced.

https://tools4vegas.com/wp-content/uploads/EventsSyncing.mp4

At 00:00:17 "These regions were then rendered and added back to the timeline."

Does that mean that the regions have to be rendered before syncing?

No, the Help file that came with the extension has been a better teacher for me than the video demo.

I think the narrator is just giving you background on how the project was created. @wwaag, who wrote the extension, may want to comment; I'm more of a hands-on learner.

Right to the point, and not to be rude, how does that work when editing audio? I'm intrigued.

I work with headphones, and I "can" make it through a Zoom call if the other participant can work through multiple dropped sentences and requests to repeat them. Music is a different story because I don't have to decode language.

Just trying to make it easier on both of us. @Grazie can tell you how challenging a Zoom call with me can be, even though we have been co-conspirators for going on twenty years...

If you haven't lived with someone with nerve deafness and hyperacusis (retired musician here, see my signature) there is no possible way you could understand, but it was listening to recordings of my own performances that brought the first scratchy sounds back to my left side after a year+ of absolutely nothing. Ever listen to what comes through a condenser mic with a busted capsule? Thanks for asking.

I work with headphones, and I "can" make it through a Zoom call if the other participant can work through multiple dropped sentences and requests to repeat them. Music is a different story because I don't have to decode language.

Just trying to make it easier on both of us. @Grazie can tell you how frustrating a Zoom call with me can be, even though we have been co-conspirators for going on twenty years...

If you haven't lived with someone with nerve deafness and hyperacusis (retired musician here, see my signature) there is no possible way you could understand, but it was listening to recordings of my own performances that brought the first scratchy sounds back to my left side after a year+ of absolutely nothing. Ever listen to what comes through a condenser mic with a busted capsule? Thanks for asking.

You sound tougher than Ahnold Shwarzernegar to me. (intentional misspellings - I hope you get the accent.)
You're right, I have no clue what it's like to be you. (But I have Mononeuritis which affects my dexterity, if that makes us cousins of some sort.)

Check out this screen shot. I'm supposed to somehow see "select preference media," but it's grayed out (not enabled). Spent two frustrating hours on this nonsense this morning. Is Otter compatible with 17? It's supposed to be.



 

@Russ-Bales

To enable time stamp pre-syncing, you must first tick the box as shown.

Unlike PluralEyes, there is a definite learning curve.

@Russ-Bales

To enable time stamp pre-syncing, you must first tick the box as shown.

Unlike PluralEyes, there is a definite learning curve.

@wwaag Thanks. Do I have this set up correctly? Track three has the external mic and I want to sync the video (audio) to that. The "start button" still isn't enabled. Have no idea what I'm doing wrong here.

If I can get an initial play-by-play help to see HOW to do it and see that it works, I'll definitely purchase it. Thus far, I haven't been able to process even the most basic workflow with only two tracks added to the timeline.

@Russ-Bales

I see the most fundamental problem--you must first obtain a trial license. I have a record of you downloading the setup file but never requesting and activating a trial license. Launch Help and click on the button "Trial License". Then follow the dialog.

@Russ-Bales

I see the most fundamental problem--you must first obtain a trial license. I have a record of you downloading the setup file but never requesting and activating a trial license. Launch Help and click on the button "Trial License". Then follow the dialog.

Thanks.

I found the launch help button and chose "activate trial." Email received. Clicked activate.

Upon reopening Vegas and after restarting computer (just in case, who knows).... see screen shot.

Try launching from one of the OtterBars or OtterMenu (View|Extensions), not the Vegas script menu.

Try launching from one of the OtterBars or OtterMenu (View|Extensions), not the Vegas script menu.

BAM! I JUST SYNCED MY FIRST PROJECT WITH TWO AUDIO FILES!

(I'll try to stop shouting now.)

Now on to the big enchilada - syncing five audio tracks (with three cams, multiple cuts, fades) here goes....