Render speed and resources

trusso wrote on 5/10/2018, 9:27 AM

I wanted to throw together a quick 90 minute video, so I added some MOV and MTS videos from SD cards to a timeline.It was as simple as it gets. No effects. No transitions.No titles.I rendered to mpeg 2 for a dvd. It took many hours (over 4).I noticed that my CPU was maxed out at 100% the entire time. Is Movie Studio Platinum 15 that poorly written that it uses the computers entire resources? I updated the latest patch because it says it fixed a resource leak or something along those lines. Is anyone else experiencing this? This is unusable to me. Here are my specs:

Intel i7 3.6

32 GB Ram

All SSD drives (dedicated drives for video, rendering, cache, OS, etc)

Geforce 1050 4GB video ram

I built this machine so that I would be able to edit in real time. I sometimes have choppy playback for a single video file. This program seems to be for beginners.

 

 

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Musicvid wrote on 5/10/2018, 12:48 PM

Your source is undoubtedly HD.

Every single pixel of every single frame was mathematically resampled to DVD resolution. It takes a long time to throw away 86% of your video data during rendering.

Your rendering times seem good, but without the required information, no one will know if they can be improved. But with CPU already at max, conventional wisdom says, "not much."

Welcome to the puzzling world of video editing.

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/10/2018, 1:01 PM

My VMS 15 renders FHD 50 p mp4 realtime to a SD Mainconcept mpeg2 file without using SSD but with i7-7700HQ @2,8 GHz 100% active.

So less than 2h must be possible.

trusso wrote on 5/10/2018, 3:30 PM

I must be spoiled by my previous editor (Newtek Speed Edit) which did everything in real time and rendering was always faster than real time, despite the output format.

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/10/2018, 3:56 PM

I think it is depending on formats, effects a.s.o.
When I render my FHD 50p video's to an Magix AVC mp4 with the same properties without extra's it takes 0,5 x realtime to render.

Musicvid wrote on 5/12/2018, 1:21 PM

I must be spoiled by my previous editor (Newtek Speed Edit) which did everything in real time and rendering was always faster than real time, despite the output format.

You are being ridiculous. Vegas is not for Tricaster installations. And if you had Tricaster, you wouldn't be complaining about a $59 NLE.

Marco. wrote on 5/12/2018, 2:24 PM

Speed Edit was a competitive NLE I also used many years ago. It's not Tricaster (which is a video switcher).

trusso wrote on 5/12/2018, 2:38 PM

Hey Musicvid, I never owned a tricaster. I purchased Speed Edit for around $600 in 2006. It was a standalone editor that was amazing and worked totally in real time and allowed every format you threw at it on the timeline. . That was 12 years ago on a Pentium 4 computer with 4 GB ram and 512MB video card. I would expect any editor (even free) to be able to process simple video with no effects or transitions on an i7, 32GB ram, all SSD and 4 GB VGA card to not have a heart attack while rendering a simple Mpeg 2 file.

Next time you chime into a thread, try to contribute something of value instead of spewing incorrect info.

Former user wrote on 5/12/2018, 2:46 PM

In Musicvid's defense, in 2006 were you dealing with HD or SD. SD is a lot easier to handle than HD. As you can see from this and other NLE sites, HD has brought some of the best computers to a crawl.

trusso wrote on 5/12/2018, 3:38 PM

I have been using Full 60 fps HD since 2010 while using Speed Edit. It still worked far better than what I am seeing with MSP on this far more powerful workstation. I have no idea what I was being "ridiculous" about. I was just pointing out that a 12 year old program on a 12 year old mid line computer performed far superior to what I am using now.

Musicvid wrote on 5/12/2018, 3:40 PM

2006? Now those are some test results I'd like to see. But all this smoke and mirrors about Speed Edit is just a distraction if you "really" came here for support (which is suspect).

Post the previously requested file properties for your current project first!

Since Vegas' mpeg-2 encoder can't utilize more than 100% of CPU cycles, don't be surprised if render times cannot be reduced in your case. Something like TMPGENC may show slight improvement.

 

Former user wrote on 5/12/2018, 4:43 PM

I would expect your CPU to be maxed out or else it would be a lot slower. You are dealing with highly compressed formats coming in and going out. MOV files are not optimized for Windows and VMS is not optimized for MOV files. It sounds like Speed Edit was a pretty high end editor whereas VMS is low priced entry level. It is powerful, yes, but not the most powerful.

trusso wrote on 5/13/2018, 9:03 PM

Would Vegas Pro 15 handle this better? I may have to move up since I cannot continue with this.

EricLNZ wrote on 5/13/2018, 10:16 PM

Would Vegas Pro 15 handle this better? I may have to move up since I cannot continue with this.

Try for yourself as you can download a 30 day trial.

You also earlier made the comment "This program seems to be for beginners". I disagree strongly with that. Not all of us are obsessed with fast rendering speeds. It's way down in my list of priorities for a video editor, but then I'm a hobbyist not a pro.

Seriously though there is something not right with your machine or setup. My general purpose AIO desktop is way, way, inferior in specs to yours and rendering PAL 1080 AVCHD to PAL Widescreen SD takes less than 2X. That's with Best video rendering quality and Video Quality High 31 in the mpeg render template. I would expect your machine to be way faster. VMS uses Main Concept for mpeg2 which perhaps isn't as fast as whatever codec your Speed Edit used. Do you know what it used? Are you able to install Speed Edit on your current machine to do a comparison?

EricLNZ wrote on 5/14/2018, 4:52 AM

There's another aspect to this - Project rendering quality. By habit I always use Best. But if I reduce it to Good my 1080 to SD mpg rendering time drops by around 30%. On the screen I cannot tell any difference in quality but downgraded HD to SD isn't the best to judge. Playing with the Video Quality in the Main Concept Video Tab reduces the render time further but not by a large amount. Lastly if you use Two pass it will naturally take twice the time of One Pass.

Musicvid wrote on 5/14/2018, 2:24 PM

Vegas Pro uses the same rendering engine and encoder as Movie Studio. TMPGENC may be slightly faster in some cases. Suggest you try it out.

trusso wrote on 5/14/2018, 2:33 PM

That's too bad to hear about Vegas Pro using the same engine as MSP. I originally used TMPGENC usingVT Edit (Video Toaster) up until I purchased Speed Edit.There was a wrapper that allowed me to use TMPGENC without rendering out as an avi. Does it work that way for Vegas. I definitely am not interested in adding an extra step to a deliverable format.