This is a short bit to show a sound problem and an often forgotten solution easily achieved. Looping.
Sound is important ..
xberk
wrote on 9/16/2018, 11:57 PM
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karma17
wrote on 9/17/2018, 2:10 AM
Yes, I'd like to know what you did too. It sounds as if the vocals have been pulled or lifted out from the original clip somehow, but I'm not sure how looping would have done that.
ritsmer
wrote on 9/17/2018, 4:43 AM
After loop the original sound (piano and talk) is in the right track while the talking is in the left.
If it were not for a very, very slight piano residue in the left track I would have thought that xberk had re-recorded the talking and replaced it in the left track afterwards ...
Edit1: Strange: the piano is quite different in the before and the after - the tune and some more warm chords...
Edit2: Definitely not the same piano recording...
Edit3: The very slight piano residue in the left track is not from the "before" recording...
EricLNZ
wrote on 9/17/2018, 5:19 AM
Yes there's some magic here. Come on xberk spill the beans as we're chomping at the bit to find out how you did it.
alifftudm95
wrote on 9/17/2018, 9:13 AM
After loop the original sound (piano and talk) is in the right track while the talking is in the left.
If it were not for a very, very slight piano residue in the left track I would have thought that xberk had re-recorded the talking and replaced it in the left track afterwards ...
Edit1: Strange: the piano is quite different in the before and the after - the tune and some more warm chords...
Edit2: Definitely not the same piano recording...
Edit3: The very slight piano residue in the left track is not from the "before" recording...
I thought for left/right track is for more wide feel ? well still learning about audio
xberk
wrote on 9/17/2018, 9:46 AM
I did give you the answer .. I guess the term "looped" has lost its meaning ... ....ADR, also known as "additional dialogue replacement",[1][2][3] "automated dialogue recording" and "looping",[4][5] in which the original actors re-record and synchronize audio segments ..
We called it looping when we had to re-record some dialogue and sync it .. the actors (talent) would listen to the original recording in a "loop" so as to repeat it as exactly as they could. Vegas can loop sound easily. If done in very short sections this is not hard to do even with inexperienced talent. My wife did her part of this little demo in one take without ever seeing the footage.
The left/right sound is simply done using the "pan" envelope in Vegas. The piano is, indeed, a different bit of piano.
I knew when I was shooting that the piano was going to be a problem if I ever wanted to use the live sound. I should have recorded some room noise once the piano guy quit, but in this case I didn't. It would have made a better mix to have that room noise added in .. Or even get a recording of the piano to add back in with the looped dialogue. As it is, it plays well enough for a home movie.
The thing is to isolate sound so you can control the mix. Digital filters have their place but sometimes re-creating the sound is an easier and better way.
Musicvid
wrote on 9/17/2018, 10:02 AM
Nicely done!
Did your actors require double pay for the second take?
xberk
wrote on 9/17/2018, 10:22 AM
Nicely done!
Did your actors require double pay for the second take?
LOL .. My actors work for drinks.
Musicvid
wrote on 9/17/2018, 1:58 PM
Now I call that elder exploitation -- where can I sign up??
donaldh606
wrote on 9/17/2018, 3:28 PM
If you would like to explore, iZotope RX7 has a plugin called "Music Rebalance" that would allow you to either rebalance the VO and music, lower the piano or pull it altogether. The results are quite amazing.
xberk
wrote on 9/17/2018, 4:06 PM
Wow .. iZotope RX7 is impressive to say the least .. but I'm wondering if the "Music Rebalance" is made mostly for separating well recorded vocals from the music bg . I wonder how it would work on the file I presented? Is it possible for you to have a go?
Former user
wrote on 9/17/2018, 6:05 PM
donaldh606
wrote on 9/18/2018, 9:35 AM
Very nicely done!!! Best of luck on the project.
xberk
wrote on 9/18/2018, 10:50 AM
Wow Joelson-Forte ! .. the RX7 is impressive ... some parts of what you did are terrific and others seem a bit "tinty" - but frankly I didn't think RX7 would do as well as it did.
So I still like the idea of looping but I realize that is not always possible. It's great to know there is a tool out there like RX7 that works so seamlessly with Vegas. Like so many things on this forum .. I learned something new. Thanks for the RX7 demo.
karma17
wrote on 9/19/2018, 6:13 AM
That's so funny because as soon as you said ADR, I realized that's what it was. I thought it was just a casual video clip someone shot, so I didn't think anyone was going to take the time to actually do ADR with it. I think if you do some EQ adjustments and maybe add a little reverb it could blend in a little better.