Stabilization

Ruby888 wrote on 8/30/2020, 11:27 AM

In Vegas Pro 18,. is the stabilization new? What settings would u use for night shots with a Sony camcorder, the video looks great in low light, but its a bit shaky. Professional in stabilization has me baffled with diff settings.

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walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 1:26 PM

If possible, it would be the best to upload the clip, so that someone who has experience with it can test it.
Otherwise, there is a lot of guesswork involved.

JN- wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:23 PM

@Ruby888 Some very good tutorials here, Scrapyard Films, some on stabilisation...

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Ruby888 wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:38 PM

@Ruby888 Some very good tutorials here, Scrapyard Films, some on stabilisation...

I don't feel I need to watch a full 15 min video on substantiation to get a simple answer, his videos, are very informative but don't answer my question. I would rather have one right to the point. Its only a 2 line answer I am looking for not a 15 min video on stabilization, thanks anyways.

Ruby888 wrote on 8/30/2020, 3:04 PM

Is there a manual online I can't read my computer it too small.

walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 4:16 PM

See: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/manual-vegas-pro-18--123525/

Ruby888 wrote on 8/30/2020, 4:28 PM

Thats not in English, I will figure something out. Thanks.

andyrpsmith wrote on 8/30/2020, 5:19 PM

In my view you should try the legacy stabilization with default setting ( you have to use it as a media event only). You will need to tick the box on the legacy items tab first for it to appear. This is always my first go to before trying the Vegas more recent one or Mercalli 4. Try it and see.

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Ruby888 wrote on 9/1/2020, 3:21 PM

When you apply the effect to the event level, the stabilization will only operate on the portion of the footage contained within the event. For example, say you have a video file that's five minutes long, but in your project you have an event that uses only a 15-second section of that footage. It will take much less time to analyze 15 seconds worth of that shaky video than the full five minutes, so it might make the most sense to add the stabilization plug-in at the event level in this case.

Okay does this mean if you have a video 5 min long you are only stabilizing a portion of that video or the entire video, I am confused.

 

Musicvid wrote on 9/1/2020, 6:51 PM

You seem reluctant to learn about stabilizer technology and best practice, so the best I can do is give a One-line answer:

No stabilizer will improve Intraframe motion blurring.

walter-i. wrote on 9/2/2020, 3:46 AM

When you apply the effect to the event level, the stabilization will only operate on the portion of the footage contained within the event. For example, say you have a video file that's five minutes long, but in your project you have an event that uses only a 15-second section of that footage. It will take much less time to analyze 15 seconds worth of that shaky video than the full five minutes, so it might make the most sense to add the stabilization plug-in at the event level in this case.

Okay does this mean if you have a video 5 min long you are only stabilizing a portion of that video or the entire video, I am confused.

@Ruby888
The magic word is: "create subclip" - search for it in the help or in the forum.
This also only analyzes the specific part of the clip that you ultimately want to use.
Works by right clicking on the event and selecting "Create Subclip".

I still think that it is better to familiarize yourself with the "New Stabilization", it still has a few antics, but they will hopefully be fixed soon.
In any case, I work very satisfactorily with it - it's just "different" but also has more options.

set wrote on 9/2/2020, 5:20 PM

 

@Ruby888
The magic word is: "create subclip" - search for it in the help or in the forum.
This also only analyzes the specific part of the clip that you ultimately want to use.
Works by right clicking on the event and selecting "Create Subclip".

This is correct when working with legacy stabilizer.

I still think that it is better to familiarize yourself with the "New Stabilization", it still has a few antics, but they will hopefully be fixed soon.
In any case, I work very satisfactorily with it - it's just "different" but also has more options.

I'm testing both stabilization.

In some cases, the legacy stabilizer still able to work better (by current condition) - although I still hope the new video stabilization can do better after updates.

 

And, both are not a 'magic tools' - there are some limitation of process can do.

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andyrpsmith wrote on 9/2/2020, 5:56 PM

Yep - Legacy is the winner here.

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Ruby888 wrote on 9/3/2020, 9:09 AM

Thanks for all you guys help. I was out taking more video this morning, and after stabilization I time stretched out out 400% and looks way better. I can not afford a good tripod for video, maybe down the road when finances can justify the price. I really want a good tripod.

set wrote on 9/3/2020, 5:57 PM

Discussed with one of the engineer, there's a possibility that a digital noise due to low light gain may interfere the tracking so you can try denoise it or level it down the dark (temporarily), then analyze stabilize, then turn the denoise/level off.

I personally haven't try experimenting with this.

Well, many ways to do it in VP, but I agree a good tripod is highly recommended.

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Ruby888 wrote on 9/3/2020, 6:03 PM

Discussed with one of the engineer, there's a possibility that a digital noise due to low light gain may interfere the tracking so you can try denoise it or level it down the dark (temporarily), then analyze stabilize, then turn the denoise/level off.

I personally haven't try experimenting with this.

Well, many ways to do it in VP, but I agree a good tripod is highly recommended.

Thanks, I tired using slow motion and that works really well. Thanks for your help.

Former user wrote on 9/3/2020, 10:04 PM

Discussed with one of the engineer, there's a possibility that a digital noise due to low light gain may interfere the tracking so you can try denoise it or level it down the dark (temporarily), then analyze stabilize, then turn the denoise/level off.

At around 3 seconds there's a very unusual jump. Unusual because it doesn't look like stabiliser should be confused by something seemingly so simple. I was testing with a non vegas stabiliser, and expected to have no problems, and yet a problem

 

fifonik wrote on 9/4/2020, 12:26 AM

I'd say the scene is very hard for stabilizers. Too few details that can be used and quite a lot of noise that masks these details.

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Former user wrote on 9/4/2020, 3:20 AM

I'd say the scene is very hard for stabilizers. Too few details that can be used and quite a lot of noise that masks these details.

Stabilizers should be able to adapt to the scene. With all that black I would expect it to lay down a higher resolution of point trackers. The unseen picture Noise is a theory I prefer,

 

3POINT wrote on 9/4/2020, 3:57 AM

With such a static object, I would have taken a picture (instead of taken a video) and done some panning afterwards in Vegas.

Ruby888 wrote on 9/4/2020, 8:18 AM

I am using a Sony AX33 camcorder, no DSLR here. Photo out of the question. I like the versatility of a camcorder, this one is great for macro and zooming, I like to take video of planes, and the zoom works great, got a real good deal 699 on sale, regular 1089. A DSLR with lenses would cost double that.

andyrpsmith wrote on 9/4/2020, 8:34 AM

One thing I have done a couple of times where stabilization was not able to give me an image I was happy with was to take a still image from the time line and use that instead. Worked great for my purpose.

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Dexcon wrote on 9/4/2020, 8:44 AM

I am using a Sony AX33 camcorder, no DSLR here. Photo out of the question

According to Sony's AX33 webpage, that camera has a 20.6MB still image capture function. But you would have needed to have been a long way back from the tower to capture the whole tower in the one still shot in order to do the shot as suggested by 3POINT ... but that would be an excellent way to do it.

BTW, I tried stabilising the shot in Mercalli 5 SAL. The original footage from the DL being 360p wouldn't have helped, but the result wasn't noticeably different from others who have tested the same footage.

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Ruby888 wrote on 9/4/2020, 8:59 AM

I am using a Sony AX33 camcorder, no DSLR here. Photo out of the question

According to Sony's AX33 webpage, that camera has a 20.6MB still image capture function. But you would have needed to have been a long way back from the tower to capture the whole tower in the one still shot in order to do the shot as suggested by 3POINT ... but that would be an excellent way to do it.

BTW, I tried stabilising the shot in Mercalli 5 SAL. The original footage from the DL being 360p wouldn't have helped, but the result wasn't noticeably different from others who have tested the same footage.


I need a good tripod, BUT I was in the middle to the road at 5:30 am downtown, lots of crack heads down there and I have to put up with traffic, so time was pressed to get a decent shot. I have never tried the photo on it, I guess its time to figure that out.

 

Dexcon wrote on 9/4/2020, 8:59 AM

One thing I have done a couple of times where stabilization was not able to give me an image I was happy with was to take a still image from the time line and use that instead.

Absolutely. Without a doubt. But it doesn't seem as though that the OP has taken that wide shot - video or still - in order to use pan/crop to do a tilt up in a still or freeze frame. A consideration is that this is not a problem when doing this with 4K footage when the destination is HD. But if going HD to HD, there may be a considerable loss of resolution/image quality if the zoom in required in order to do the tilt is much more than, say, 10%.

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