Still cant get smooth 4K, will this help?

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 8:18 AM

While I have noticed an improvement with preview of 4K on my 50" 4K TV that I use as an external monitor I would like it to be smoother. With Vegas Pro 18, playback has definitely improved with 30 fps but my GPU seems to choke on 60 fps. Do you think this Black Magic card would help?

Thanks very much,

Randy

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michael-harrison wrote on 8/23/2020, 10:27 AM

That's an input device, not output.

[edit, technically it's also a pass-through but it's not going to do what you think]

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System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

michael-harrison wrote on 8/23/2020, 10:28 AM

Also, without knowing your system specs, it'll be difficult/impossible to say what you can do other than proxy to get better performance.

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 11:21 AM

This is from the description- "With the DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K from Blackmagic Design you can play out 4K content to high-resolution monitors and recorders in real-time from your compatible edit system. "

CPU- Intel Core i7 3770S
RAM- 32 GB DDR3
GPU- NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 super
motherboard- ASUS P8Z77-V LK

Thanks very much,

Randy

Musicvid wrote on 8/23/2020, 11:45 AM

A third generation i7 just isn't going to do the trick, Randy. It's the weakest link in your system. Even the newer i5 runs circles around it.

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 11:54 AM

Okay, not something I wanted to hear but that is very valuable info so thank you!

I "built" this thing 100 years ago and wasn't a computer whiz back then and feel even less competant now...can you tell me what you would replace at this point, do I need a new MB too or will this one handle a beefier CPU?

Thanks very much,

Randy

Chief24 wrote on 8/23/2020, 12:44 PM

If you plan to keep your current "Overall" system, the highest processor you would be able to get would be the Intel i7-4790k (a.k.a. "Devil's Canyon"). While giving you some slight improvement, and I do mean slight, you still have the older generation of hardware, except the GTX 1660 Super.

The additional problem of wanting to "upgrade" to a "slightly" better CPU for that platform, is going to be cost. Just looked on Amazon for a quick search, and they "Only have 12 left!", at a price that for that old of a processor is too much.

Ideally, you would save up some money, and purchase a complete new system. Which one? I am not going to start some "FLAME WARS" about Intel/AMD/nVidia, which will happen based on previous replies and/or requests. But you would need to determine what you feel you can budget for, as we do not know what YOUR needs or especially EXPECTATIONS are. I've used combinations of all three: Intel/Intel, Intel/nVidia, Intel/AMD, AMD/AMD, AMD/nVidia. Most built by me for what I wanted and could afford, at the time, and keeping in mind which software I was using and the SPECIFICATIONS at that time for that version/build. To me, if it takes a little more time to wait for a render, at my age, just have another cup of coffee, do the laundry, wash dishes, take a walk, etc,; and by the time any of those (Tasks - Not "Honey-Do" as not married), the render is typically done or close to it.

Self Build: #1 MSI TRX40 Pro Wi-Fi w/3960X (be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro TR4) @ stock; 128GB Team Group 3200 MHz; OS/Apps - WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4 4TB, Documents/Extras - WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4 4TB; XFX AMD Radeon 7900XTX (24.12.1); Samsung 32 Inch UHD 3840x2160; Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit (24H2 26100.2894); (2) Inland Performance 2TB/(2) PNY 3040 4TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; (2) WD RED 4TB; ProGrade USB CFExpress/SD card Reader; LG 16X Blu-Ray Burner; 32 inch Samsung UHD 3840x2160.

VEGAS Pro 20 Edit (411); VEGAS Pro 21 Suite (315); VEGAS Pro 22 Suite (239) & HOS (Happy Otter Scripts); DVD Architect 7.0 (100);

Sound Forge Audio Studio 15; ACID Music Studio 11; SonicFire Pro 6.6.9 (with Vegas Pro/Movie Studio Plug-in); DaVinci Resolve (Free) 19.1.3

#2: Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D w/7960x (Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6) @ stock; 128GB Kingston Fury Beast RDIMM @4800 MHz; OS/Apps - Seagate Firecuda 540 2TB PCI-e 5.0x4; Documents/Extras/Source/Transcodes - 4TB WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4; 4TB Inland Performance PCI-e 3.0x4; 2TB Inland Performance PCI-e 4.0x4; BlackMagic PCI-e Decklink 4K Mini-Recorder; ProGrade USB SD & Micro SD card readers; LG 32 Inch UHD 3840.x2160: PowerColor Hellhound RX Radeon 7900XT (24.12.1); Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit (24H2 26100.2894)

VEGAS Pro 20 Edit (411); VEGAS Pro 21 Suite (315); VEGAS Pro 22 Suite (239) & HOS; DVD Architect 7.0 (100); Sound Forge Audo Studio 15; Acid Music Studio 11

Canon EOS R6 MkII, Canon EOS R6, Canon EOS R7 (All three set for 4K 24/30/60 Cinema Gamut/CLog3); GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black & (2) 7 Black & 9 Black & 10 Black & 11 Black & 12 Black (All set at highest settings - 4K, 5K, & 5.3K mostly at 29.970); Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam (4K 100Mbps XAVC-S 23.976/29.970)

Musicvid wrote on 8/23/2020, 2:00 PM

If you're on a budget, you may want to try the 4th gen i7 first. You may be pleasantly surprised, +25% cpu benchmark is not trivial.

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 3:07 PM

Hmm, I recently bought a $1K drone that shoots 4K 60 (Mavic Air 2) and have a 4K camcorder so I might as well invest in something that I won't have issues with for a while.

Like I say, It's been years since I was trying to keep up with this stuff so can you guys give me suggestions as to what motherboard/cpu combo you guys would go for with a budget of say $600 or so (I'm retired now and can't justify spending much more)?

I usually buy from B&H and was looking at these (doesn't have to be from B&H tho)...do you see anything you would recommend?

Thanks again,

Randy

 

fr0sty wrote on 8/23/2020, 3:43 PM

If you want to keep things on a budget, skip intel and buy Ryzen CPUs instead. The Ryzen 7 3xxx series is a great series of chips. Pair that with 32GB RAM (buy 2x 16GB sticks), a decent motherboard that can support at least 64GB of RAM (you'll want 4 slots so you can add 4x 16GB sticks... you want to leave some room to upgrade later), and a Geforce RTX 2xxx series (or greater, the 3xxx series launches later this year), or AMD RX 580, VEGA, Ryzen VII (not recommended, they cost too much now), or RX 5xxx series cards will do well. If you get the new Geforce RTX 3xxx series cards later this year, keep in mind that they require a new type of connector from the power supply.

My Desktop has a Ryzen 7 1800x CPU I bought 3-4 years ago, a Ryzen VII GPU, and 64GB RAM (VEGAS never uses more than 32). I just bought a laptop with a Intel I9 9980HK CPU, a RTX 2060 GPU, and 32GB RAM, it doesn't perform any better in VEGAS than my desktop does.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Musicvid wrote on 8/23/2020, 3:55 PM

By "on a budget," I meant keeping his motherboard for now, not replacing it. His current graphics are pretty good.

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 4:08 PM

I was thinking that the motherboard/processor combo would be best for me since I can give my son what I have and it would be an upgrade for him...did you guys look at any of those in the link?

RogerS wrote on 8/23/2020, 9:50 PM

Why not use proxy files for difficult media?

Randy Brown wrote on 8/23/2020, 10:09 PM

I have had to resort to that but I would rather see the actual resolution as I'm working with landscape/nature stuff and there won't be a lot of cutting...just slow (hopefully) cinematic results to sync with my music.

No suggestions from that link y'all?

Thanks again,

Randy

RogerS wrote on 8/23/2020, 10:26 PM

With proxies you can always see the original full resolution when you switch the preview to best/full. Just put it back to preview when you need full speed playback for cutting and timing.

I think you are hard-pressed to put together a full system capable of 4K 60p editing from difficult DJI files for $600. Vegas itself struggles with these files- are others getting smooth playback? The link you sent requires you to also supply cooling, a power supply, DDR4 ram, etc., etc.

fr0sty wrote on 8/23/2020, 11:59 PM

This should get you more or similar performance (close enough that it isn't worth paying the premium) to even the more expensive intel bundles I see in your link, for way cheaper, considering it also includes 32GB of RAM.

CPU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPJ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

MOBO: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1426716-REG/asus_rog_strix_b450_f_gaming_republic_of_gamers_strix.html

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GTG2T7L?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

 

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

fr0sty wrote on 8/24/2020, 12:01 AM

Here's a resource you can use to do quick price comparisons among the popular sites.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

Randy Brown wrote on 8/24/2020, 8:44 AM

With proxies you can always see the original full resolution when you switch the preview to best/full.

I didn't realize this...thanks I'll give it a shot!

Randy Brown wrote on 8/24/2020, 8:46 AM

This should get you more or similar performance (close enough that it isn't worth paying the premium) to even the more expensive intel bundles I see in your link, for way cheaper, considering it also includes 32GB of RAM.

CPU: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPJ?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

MOBO: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1426716-REG/asus_rog_strix_b450_f_gaming_republic_of_gamers_strix.html

RAM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GTG2T7L?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

 

It does indeed look like much faster parts than I was looking at for the same price range, thanks