Vegas and many users owe much knowledge to johnmeyer; today, many Vegas users are thanks to him. I also saw his polite message and he does not deserve such treatment if it has been deleted by some moderator. It is not a good precedent whether they are gods or demons.

Some times moderators must moderate, this forum is quite free compared to most sites run by businesses.

I appreciate the fact that Magix hosts this site, but I don't think any 'moderation' was needed in this post.  When I said that Mr. Meyer was 'fairly critical', I meant that in the truest sense of the word in that he was fair in his remarks and not vicious. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, but I did underline the word, perhaps in error.

Bob

We Voluntary Moderators will discussing about John Meyer's post. The post is just hidden (was made hidden by other mod). Thanks for the opinions.

I personally respect his opinions, although I have a question too regarding John Meyer's critics. Why he still keep using Vegas Pro 13 ? Have he tried experiment with the latest Vegas Pro 15 ?

I tried my best keep this forum clean from such advertisement or spammer for sure.

D7K, what is your experience of other forums... perhaps you can share further about your opinion regarding to 'this forum is quite free compared to most sites run by businesses.'

Why he still keep using Vegas Pro 13 ? Have he tried experiment with the latest Vegas Pro 15 ?

Same here. SVP13 just works and has everything I need, especially AC3 Pro, Vegas2Handbrake, Mercalli 4, no need to disable any plugins and so on. Maybe, when 3rd or 4th upgrade is available, the price is reasonable, and a clear indication on how bundled products work with future releases, I may spent the time to setup my system for it. But, it MUST have the same functionality as my current SVP13 setup and have additional features. Otherwise, there is no gain in paying more and spending the time setting it up.

I became aware of that hidding of his posting only one hour ago. For sure John is appreciated for his huge contributions in the past and know him for years, since we both started to use with Vegas Pro 4.

Even if it is his decision I wonder about why his findings are still based on Vegas Pro 13 only. For sure we have enough issues with Vegas Pro 15 now in the beginning, even if that is quite stable at my machine. So maybe the findings would be different if they would be based on Vegas Pro 14 or 15?

So it may take some time for discussions between gods and demons, even if I do not think that we got such characters in the team. ;)

Who appoints the moderators? There seem to be quiet a few of them, and I am not sure I agree with having posts 'hidden' while someone arbitrarily makes a decision to post or not to post - certainly not a post from anybody with a proven track-record on the forum.

I read that post earlier, its inexplicable thats is censored. If you followed the comments in say ProDad Mercalli thread earlier it was much more heated, very little light though.

Why is the moderator involved staying hidden?

Yes, my post got deleted.

I have to moderate a neighborhood forum, so I totally respect the Magix moderator's right to remove rants, unhelpful posts, etc. My past contributions mean nothing here, and again, I can't blame them because they have hundreds of posts each month and cannot possibly look up everyone's past to perhaps better understand where I was coming from, or find out that I have a depth of understanding of this product that lets me see things that a "newbie" would not.

I won't disrespect the moderator and repeat all the things I said. The basic nature of the post was that Vegas 13 let me down while I was creating the most important video I've ever done, a tribute to my daughter and her groom to be shown at their wedding in two weeks. The essence of my rant (and yes, it was a rant, so I won't even put that word in quotes) is that I would have been finished two weeks ago if Vegas 13 "behaved." But it didn't.

I'll leave it at that.

For those of you who remember any of my thousands of past posts, I am king of the "workaround" and I eventually was able to get everything done, late last night after five nights with less than three hours of sleep each night.

As I said in my original post, it will be my last project because I am too old to learn anything else, and because my heart and soul have always belonged to Vegas, one of the most amazing pieces of software ever created. I don't have anywhere else to go, or any other product with which I could ever be as creative or productive.

Thank you all for your support in this thread. I miss the old Sonic Foundry camaraderie, and fondly remember all the things I learned from all of you over the years.

set: You say "Have he tried experiment with the latest Vegas Pro 15 ?" I can't answer that, but what is at issue for me is your choice of the term 'experiment.' I don't have time in my work schedule to "experiment" with production software that I use to earn my livelihood as an editor. I expect to download it and begin to work. I expect to find the ancillary tools I have used for the past several years to still be in place and I expect the look and feel of these tools to remain fairly constant. I'm delighted to see ancillary tools added, but not if they significantly alter my workflow.

I have the utmost respect for johnmeyer, from whom I have learned a great deal over the many years I have used Vegas. His workarounds are the stuff of legend. But they are workarounds -- ways of overcoming failures in the software. And unfortunately these appear to have been legion in Vegas 14 and evidence suggests are legion in Vegas 15 as well.

Judging from the posts here since last Friday, Magix's Vegas 15 has a long way to go before it becomes a reliable, bug-free tool. Until forum posts speak to the contrary, I have little choice but to continue with Vegas 13, the devil I know.

100% correct Jack, 100%!!!

Until forum posts speak to the contrary, I have little choice but to continue with Vegas 13, the devil I know.

Give me reasons to tell the forum that software is mostly doing what's intended to do. I hardly see comments or forumposts that only love it, mostly not the ultimate reason for users to come to a forum like this.

Well, I am sure you also only go to the doctor when you are ill, not when you are healthy.

I understood that you, Jack, have not tested Vegas 15? And that you have a dedicated machine for editing, given your commercial use of the software?

Great. I have a dedicated machine too, and here Vegas Pro 15 is damed stable. It has become much better then old SCS version 13 with a huge amount of bug fixes in the last 2 years.

True, a lot of people have issues, and it is up to you to stay with 13. But also true, without testing the software and following only other reports you never will know what would happen with Vegas 15 on your machine really.

Given your commercial background you will have actual images of your system anyway?

Wolfgang S: Fair enough. I haven't used Vegas 15 and so far am relying on the experiences of others, like yourself, whose opinions I respect and who are using it and posting of their experiences on this forum. I would take precisely the same approach when purchasing a new camera: read the reviews of those who have experience with the gear, try to understand the pros and cons of the product and, finally, make some kind of informed decision. While perhaps some might not agree, I consider this sound business practice.

I think Cornico's point is well made. I would like to hear of the experience of users like yourself who have found the new Vegas stable, and to learn of how they are using the product and what benefits it presents over older versions. Unfortunately there appears to be very little feedback of this kind thus far.

Actually, I have three dedicated machines used for editing by several editors. All three are running Vegas 13 and none have crashed while being edited on during the past 12 months. My point is not that there is anything magic about Vegas 13, however, or anything deplorable about Magix Vegas 15: only that in its present state, based on the reviews of those posting here who have tried Vegas 15 and found it wanting -- which is for the most part all I have to rely on -- I think I'll hold off on my purchase of the new product until it appears to be working well for the majority of those reviewing it.

Its excellent information that Vegas 15 is, as you put it, "damed stable" for you. It would be helpful to know the configuration of the computer you are running it on.

My goodness!

johnmeyer has contributed more to the commercial printer, video, and archiving bodies of knowledge than most on this planet.

His delivery style notwithstanding, his knowledge of things you or I have never thought of is unquestioned. Think of that 9th grade teacher you loved to hate, and who was right more often than you.

I think the mod who hid the first thread should put it up again and beg the user base for guidance.

'nuff said?

 

Same here. SVP13 just works and has everything I need, especially AC3 Pro, Vegas2Handbrake, Mercalli 4, no need to disable any plugins and so on.

The two main reasons why I upgraded to Vegas Pro 14 is the smart zoom which does a great job of giving me a crop and still keep HD. No need to crop 4k even though it would be better in some cases and much worse in other cases because of more noise in the video (Sony Cameras). The second reason is so I can use the latest version of Vegasaur. It has exactly what I need to create open captions in the way I want.

I am still using Sony Vegas Pro 13 to start all of my multi-cam projects so I can continue to use Plural Eyes. Seems like a true upgrade would allow previous third party plugs to work but Vegas Pro 14 did not. I am not going to pay the excessive price to upgrade Plural Eyes!

The ONLY reason why I did not upgrade yet to Vegas Pro 15 is because Magix chose to not accept PayPal credit. I cannot remember the exact wording they gave for a reason but it had something to do with being too much involved or something like that.

I see a great potential with Vegas Pro 15 for my needs but because of budget limitations and the fact that I cannot use the only credit source available to me at this time, I will have to wait a month before I can upgrade.

Magix has great software but are sadly lacking on the business end. They really need to LISTEN to what their customers are saying and get their act together!

Things CAN be really, really great for Vegas Pro! Magix just needs to get things in order on the business end.

Wolfgang S: Fair enough. I haven't used Vegas 15 and so far am relying on the experiences of others, like yourself, whose opinions I respect and who are using it and posting of their experiences on this forum.

Maybe the word "respect" is a Major message for what is going on in this Forum at the Moment. While I think that John deserves the same respect as everybody else as Minimum, I also think that it would be great to overcome some old Storys that are back 3-4 years (and where I was not involved at all and do not know what happened here).

John states by himself that he was ranting mainly. Fair enough, and I think the two persons involed here will discuss that internally I assume, and there will be a solution. But there are more important points in live, and such a Point is the wedding of his daughter - and we should congratulate him to that significant event in his live and the live of his daughter (and Idea that nobody had up to now if I oversee that right).

I would take precisely the same approach when purchasing a new camera: read the reviews of those who have experience with the gear, try to understand the pros and cons of the product and, finally, make some kind of informed decision. While perhaps some might not agree, I consider this sound business practice.

Sure, to evaluate a product is best practice. I do that also before I purchase a new camera, and when I purchased my FS7 that was a major Investment for me.

For the upgrade of an NLE and given the much lower costs, I think I will decide much faster (and when Edius 9 becomes available, I will purchase the upgrade immediately - simply because I trust the product and the People that I know, similar to the point that I trust the development team behind Vegas since that is the good old team that we had for years.

I think Cornico's point is well made. I would like to hear of the experience of users like yourself who have found the new Vegas stable, and to learn of how they are using the product and what benefits it presents over older versions. Unfortunately there appears to be very little feedback of this kind thus far.

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Its excellent information that Vegas 15 is, as you put it, "damed stable" for you. It would be helpful to know the configuration of the computer you are running it on.

Well, my latest machine (I have here also three machines) has following specifications. Be Aware that given the latest decision of the development Team to Support now QSV and NVENC I would tend to configurate the machine in a different way for Vegas Pro 15 (it was purchased at the beginning of 2016, with the first indications where Vegas would go at this Point of time):

- ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1
- processor i7- 5960X
- CPU water cooling Corsair Hydro Series H110i GTX
- 32 GB DDR4-2400 RAM
- Quadro K4200 for the s3D preview with nvidia 3D vision
- Gigabyte R9-390X - für GPU acceleration
- SSD 256 GB systempartition in an Icydock (so I run the System both with Win 8.1 for s3D and Win 10)
- SSD 512 GB 4x as raid 5
- LG Blu-ray burner
- 750 W Consair power supply
- UHD Monitor Dell P2715Q
- Blackmagic Decklink 4K Extreme

A weakness of this System is that it used both AMD and nvidia Cards, the Drivers are not free of conflicts all the time. But that was necessary for my s3D editing.

I use this machine mainly for v log l footage from my GH4 and Shogun, so shoot to ProRes (what I had to render to Cineform to get it in Vegas Pro 13, but with Vegas Pro 14/15 that is not necessary any more). And I use the System with my FS7 XAVC-I UHD 50p footage. For both types of log footage the new ACES 1.0.3 mode in Vegas Pro 15 is really great now,