The future of audio stereo is dying

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/25/2021, 8:31 AM

Is Vegas pro going to go some sort of 3d objects base panning system if thay can't get a licence from dolby-atmos https://developer.dolby.com/
maybe thay can get one from auro-3d
https://www.auro-3d.com/

Dolby-atmos for music https://professional.dolby.com/ is starting to take off and will be the next big thing in audio especially binaural version because that's how most people are going to consume dolby-atmos on smartphone.

Now that dolby-atmos  is an object based u can now create Atmos mix in binaural headphones so I wouldn't need a 5.1 7.1 7.1.4 9.14 or 22.2 system or get started with 2 or 3 speakers
And now that logic pro https://www.apple.com/uk/logic-pro/
now has the Dolby Atmos renderer built-in with their own binaural plug-in built-in to the renderer.
No renderer https://www.avid.com/plugins/dolby-atmos-production-suite  for pc unless u use Dolby Atmos RMU which will run on super computer.
RMU is £1,000 which is what deadmouse5 has been using for 3 years with Ableton on a pc.

resolve / nuendo https://www.steinberg.net/nuendo/
has the renderer built-in to their software.
People have been waiting for more than 2 years to make
Dolby Atmos production suite available for windows.

For what ever reason still not available for windows maybe bc of ASIO Driver idk someone will let me know
Apple is all in on Atmos and special audio and now that YouTube is startin to roll out Dolby Atmos 5.1 to you tube TV and main YouTube in beta and more devices in the Following weeks
It's just a matter of time before Spotify and other social  media apps and nle, DAW and everyone else implementing it
Dolby Atmos take over stereo very soon and become standardise  almost everywhere

https://www.dolby.com/technologies/dolby-atmos/

Check this video out from Andrew scheps

Produce like a pro

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RogerS wrote on 10/25/2021, 8:58 AM

How is it going to take over if it doesn't work on Windows?

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/25/2021, 9:19 AM

It works on window laptop and smart phones have it doby Atmos built in

its the production suit It only available for mac os and it's for people who want to mix in Atmos but the software doesn't have Atmos renderer built-in or basic 5.1

DAW with a sample rate of 48k and 512 buffer size 128 inputs and outputs can do it or any progress with those features even tho FL Studio is not listed as one of the compatible Daw u can use it bc it support video.

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/25/2021, 9:37 AM

One of the benefits of the production suits is to exports an MP4 h264 to a client or upload a video to you tube to monitor in spatial audio on there phone. I have nuendo and I don't think u can expect a video with all the metadata for Dolby Atmos the adm file size can become big for the headphones mix

For pc 👇

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/25/2021, 2:50 PM

Well it seems like Vegas will miss out on this big opportunity

Musicvid wrote on 10/25/2021, 3:49 PM

There have been hundreds of multipoint audio schemes introduced in the fifty years since Quadrasonic (1970).

None of them have brought about the demise of stereo. [yawn /]

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/25/2021, 4:01 PM

There have been hundreds of multipoint audio schemes introduced in the fifty years since Quadrasonic (1970).

None of them have brought about the demise of stereo. [yawn /]

Your right but the problem with tho was if u did not have a specific setup you wasn't monitoring properly u had to have a 4 speaker or 5.1 setup to monitor back or specialised hardware with Dolby Atmos it's an objects based panning system which is not tide to A specific monitoring setup so a lot of people would start of with headphones or earbuds if thay can't afford studio monitor. the Dolby Atmos production suite is is cheaper than logic pro or fl studio

This guy here a affordable Atmos setup

And in this video they all so talk about the limitations of stereo speakers

It's more affordable than ever before for consumers independent artists and filmmakers to mix or listen in Atmos

RogerS wrote on 10/26/2021, 12:54 AM

Dolby's licensing costs have limited the adoption to date, why should this be any different? Is there a non-proprietary alternative being pushed by a major tech company (Google, etc.) that might be competition for it?

Otherwise we're probably going to keep listening and mastering in stereo.

Dexcon wrote on 10/26/2021, 6:28 AM

The future of audio stereo is dying

Unlikely in the short to medium term. To audiophiles and those in the industry, new innovations are very exciting and often considered ground-breaking and to be "the future". But few innovations survive. Re @Musicvid 's comment about quadraphonic, I heard it once back in 1970 - it was excellent. I heard an early surround sound audio track in a cinema - 'Ryan's Daughter' I think; I've seen two Cinerama films in the cinema: 'How the West was Won' and '2001: A Space Odyssey". I've heard 8 track tape media (on a tour bus of all places). CDs were considered the future back in the early 80s, but apparently LP records (mono or stereo only) are now outselling CDs in some retail stores.

Why will stereo continue into the future without the neo-gimmicks? Because the average family watching FTA or streaming on the average TV set most likely couldn't care less about simulated surround sound.

For those wanting an individual simulated surround experience via earphones or the like (which is probably a variation on phasing to achieve the simulation), that is fine. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding of the real Atmos in a cinema installation is that the ceiling and the walls of the cinema are flooded with speakers and Atmos is programmed to deliver dedicated signals to each of those speakers.

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Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/26/2021, 6:50 AM

U know a lot of devices and even sky tv support Dolby Atmos it's has a built-in soundbar into the TV Amazon echo and homepod Mini support it as well my Samsung phone iPhone support it most of the time it automatically enables when you plug in headphones so most people don't even know that they are listening to Dolby Atmos the technology is going to adapt to consumer devices that most people are using and binaural algorithm will get better over time

Dexcon wrote on 10/26/2021, 7:05 AM

It's called 'marketing' - nothing less and nothing more. The last 'big thing' was 3D TV. Where is it today? Largely gone. Simulated Atmos - it's marketing, marketing, marketing. But I am glad that you like simulated Atmos. If it works for you, then that's good.

An el cheapo laptop I have from years ago boasts that it has Beats Audio - what does that mean? Nothing. It's marketing only.

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Dexcon wrote on 10/26/2021, 7:19 AM

Have a look at this blog post

Interesting. It acknowledges that Atmos into stereo (and there's the point - it is still stereo) is the mixing and mastering of the music track that creates the 'Atmos image'. You can likely do the same or similar with iZotope products.

Please keep in mind that the link to that company is clearly a self-promotional post - not an independent review.

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Dexcon wrote on 10/26/2021, 7:24 AM

What about all the big label mixing music in Atmos

Marketing. If you don't have a multi-speaker set up (beyond 5.1 or 7.1), it's just 'simulated'. That was the origin of Dolby Digital around 25 or so years ago. Nothing new here - just a new marketing concept.

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Musicvid wrote on 10/26/2021, 9:26 AM

Fads will come, and fads will go. Atmo$ is cool, but we were still born with only two ears.

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 10/26/2021, 11:54 AM

Fads will come, and fads will go. Atmo$ is cool, but we were still born with only two ears.

 

Yep that's y Atmos support binaural

Reyfox wrote on 11/1/2021, 8:20 AM

Interesting topic. I still have my high end stereo system, and have not seen the need to go beyond 5.1 with my home theater. I know of no one with a 22.2 Atmos anything. Nor do I see filling the shelves Blurays or music that support it. Heck, where are all the UHD 4K blurays? And let's not forget we all need 8K tv's!

They (companies) are always trying to find something new to separate you from your money with some new shiny "thing". Success in your endeavor!

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Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 11/1/2021, 9:05 AM

Most people would experience Atmos on headphones since that's what most people use with had tracking device

Look at what people said about Atmos all the benefits 👇

 

Reyfox wrote on 11/1/2021, 11:18 AM

I knew people who loved 3D. There will always be people who will like a technology. How many of those headphones will be sold? There were those that recorded music with mics in the location of the headphone speakers. And while the presentations were "wow", bi-aural recordings are where today?

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Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 11/1/2021, 11:26 AM

I knew people who loved 3D. There will always be people who will like a technology. How many of those headphones will be sold? There were those that recorded music with mics in the location of the headphone speakers. And while the presentations were "wow", bi-aural recordings are where today?

It's just in recent years atmos has become more popular and its not going anywhere this is just the beginning I want u to come back to this post in the next 10 to 20 years and see if I was right or wrong. Atmos will get better and better over time more more people will adopt it over the years more DAW will support it as well

Reyfox wrote on 11/1/2021, 1:06 PM

In 10 or 20 years from now, there will be a "new" thing some will be raving about. Heck, in 2 years there will be something "new, great, gotta have" out there.

How many people have Atoms systems at home now? How many are willing to invest in that sonically great experience now? Who will have that spendable income to do it? Most people are happy with the sonic capabilities of their blue tooth headphones. And even if the sonic experience is better, unless it's cheap and everywhere, it won't work. And you still have, as @Musicvid points out.... 2 ears

I have a high end audio system. It is light years better than most of the people I know. And those who've heard it say so. But they aren't willing to invest in it and are happy streaming on their cellphones.

As for DAW's supporting it... maybe...but what major studio is willing to bet the kitchen sync on it.

It reminds me of THX. When I play that for people, they are totally blown away. Totally. But they aren't rushing out to get any type of HT that will play it back like what they've experienced in my living room.

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Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 11/1/2021, 1:30 PM

The way we hear sound with our ears is binaural apple airpods Pro have head tracking device if I'm playing audio on two speakers my left ear is facing there two speakers there's a slight delay when so sound it in my right ear but allso the head tracking device is coping the way we hear sound to if I'm playing a snare drum through a Speaker I'm playing it and I turn my body around as I keep moving the sound changes all the way to my right ears that exactly what head tracking is doing

 

 

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Reyfox wrote on 11/1/2021, 2:14 PM

I remember going from mono to stereo.....

head tracking... eye tracking... vr specs.... nice if you are into it.

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Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 11/1/2021, 2:36 PM

I remember going from mono to stereo.....

head tracking... eye tracking... vr specs.... nice if you are into it.

U know there were people back in the days that said stereo will never replace mono and there are a small percentage of people that dont like stereo and prefer mono