Transcoding with Kyno?

VideoSquib wrote on 2/23/2019, 7:59 PM

Hi,

Is anyone out there transcoding with Kyno and using the resulting files in Vegas (I've tried V Pro 13 to 16) and had any luck.? I've spent the last 3 hours with the trial version of Kyno and haven't had any luck at all. Well, MPEG worked but Cineform, DNXHD and Uncompressed wouldn't work at all. Those files all play in a variety of video players. I tried MOV and AVI wrappers, everything I could think of. Any thought or help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Musicvid wrote on 2/23/2019, 8:16 PM

I don't think we know what Kyno is. Nevertheless, start here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

For both your source and converted files, please.

fr0sty wrote on 2/23/2019, 8:23 PM

I was able to recreate the issue, I can't get it to work either. If you are transocding for the purpose of proxies, I would use the proxy system in Happy Otter's Otter Bar script to do that.

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VideoSquib wrote on 2/23/2019, 8:36 PM

Thanks Frosty. I"m glad that you showed that, while maybe being and idiot, I'm not the only one that has the issue with Kyno. To be perfectly clear, I don't lump you in with me as an idiot. You and several others on this forum have answered so many questions that I've never had much need to ask before. I just need to search the forum and Voila. Magix should really be paying you and those few others a decent salary.

I've begun a support ticket with Kyno so I'll let you know what I find out.

Music Vid - You, Nick, Grazie and a few others can be included in the above statement about "several others". I'll supply the info you asked for asap. Currently I'm dealing with a work related deadline (CAD, not video) and a few other things. It may take me a day or two. Making little, unimportant and ultimately pathetic video clips is merely a life sidebar to keep me sane.

Thanks to all for your help.

Musicvid wrote on 2/23/2019, 8:41 PM

Oh, CAD to video. Been the downfall of better techies than me. But yeah, let's see what we can do with it.

VideoSquib wrote on 2/23/2019, 8:49 PM

BTW Frosty, I've got a big computer with lots of storage space (over 30 GB. Need it for CAD work back-ups and such as i'm a freelancer working for 10 to 15 clients at any one time but I have tons of free space. I have 2 high capacity NMVE SSD drives and 8 HDDs in my rig.). I'd rather transcode high quality files that play nice with Vegas than deal with proxys.

MusicVid, the work isn't from CAD to video. it's from a DJI Mavic 2 Pro to Vegas. I'll post more info and possibly a file in the next day or so. I have to "jet off" for a skype meeting with someone on the other side of the planet now.

Thanks again.

Kinvermark wrote on 2/23/2019, 10:31 PM

@VideoSquib

You could also take a look at Acrovid's "Intertake" which used to be called FootageStudio 4K. No problem playing them in Vegas, except that I couldn't get timecode to be read by Vegas on some formats (Vegas needs a little improvement here IMO). Way faster than Kyno, and better set up for transcoding.

fr0sty wrote on 2/23/2019, 11:18 PM

Just because you have the storage space to take source video and transcode it to a high quality intermediate, you'll still get the optimal quality by using the proxy approach. You can use intermediate formats as proxies if you want, I personally just use the 720p proxy system built into Vegas, it works fine for my needs. The reason being, you're not going to get better quality than rendering from your raw files straight out of the camera. Proxies will swap out the temporary media with the full resolution original media upon export. With this approach, any quality lost rendering from one format to another is avoided. You're only one "generation" from the source material. Using high quality intermediates just adds on unnecessary rendering time, as they take longer to render and then you still have to render the final output again.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

wwaag wrote on 2/24/2019, 1:12 AM

As fr0sty suggested, you might consider using the ImportAssist app that's part of Happy Otter Scripts (https://tools4vegas.com/) that can transcode and import directly into Vegas. Here's a screenshot.

Depending upon your source material, you can rewrap or transcode into a number of formats including lossless codecs such as UtVideo and MagicYUY, and any other avi codecs you have installed such as Cineform, Canopus, etc. You can also transcode to a high bit rate AVC using the x264 encoder or onboard GPU's including Nvenc, VCE, and QuickSync.

Having said that, if your footage will import into Vegas "as is", I concur with fr0sty that there is really no need for transcoding since use of proxies is by far the easiest way--also the cheapest if you use native Vegas proxies.

 

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Marco. wrote on 2/24/2019, 5:59 AM

"Cineform, DNXHD and Uncompressed wouldn't work at all."

I find Kyno very limited. Not much choices of codecs and containers and the combination of codec + container is what makes trouble in Vegas Pro.

Kyno transcoded DNxHD works fine on my system in Vegas Pro if I selected the MOV wrapper for transcoding (DNxHD must be intalled separately). Vegas Pro can't read DNxHD wrapped in MXF.

Kyno's uncompressed is a special flavor of uncompressed, it's YUV V210. Vegas can read this type, but wrapped in AVI only. But Kyno only offers MOV wrapper for V210. So if you transcoded to uncompressed from Kyno, you first would need to remux this file to AVI. Then Vegas Pro will read it.

No success with CineForm transcoding in Kyno either. It does not even write a file then.