Vegas 17 : h264 Mkv failed to render as Magix intermediate 422HQ 1080p

3POINT wrote on 10/5/2019, 11:38 PM

Renders fine at my PC with VPro17. As requested in your other thread, an analyze with Mediainfo of your original xvid or mkv file will give us more details. Now we can only guess, what I refuse.

Sylk wrote on 10/5/2019, 11:53 PM

1856x1056 (1877:1056) (...) An invalid argument was specified.

A clue?

3POINT wrote on 10/5/2019, 11:58 PM

Shouldn't be a problem, when rendered to 1920x1080.

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:10 AM

I need to download mediainfo then. Here are the properties of the file in Vegas :

General
Name: ........mkv
Folder: D:\.......
Type: MAGIX MKV
Size: 1,31 GB (1 340 646 616 bytes)
Created: jeudi 3 octobre 2019, 11:38:03
Modified: dimanche 29 septembre 2019, 22:14:50
Accessed: dimanche 6 octobre 2019, 06:05:57
Attributes: Archive
Streams
Video: 00:52:01,451, 23,976 fps progressive, 1856x1056x32, MKV
Audio: 00:52:01,451, 48 000 Hz; Stereo, AAC
ACID information
ACID chunk: no
Stretch chunk: no
Stretch list: no
Stretch info2: no
Beat markers: no
Detected beats: no
Other metadata
Regions/markers: no
Command markers: no
Media manager
Media tags: no
Plug-In
Name: mxhevcplug.dll
Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxhevcplug
Format: MAGIX MKV
Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

3POINT wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:25 AM

Use the Tree or the Text view of Mediainfo of the original MKV File, (not of the Vegas rendered output). Example of view: Which will give much more details about your file.

Sylk wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:26 AM

Right-click on MPC screen > Properties > MediaInfo

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:28 AM

Media info :

General
Unique ID : *****************************
(********************************)
Complete name : D:\******************** source\**********************.mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 1.25 GiB
Duration : 52 min 1 s
Overall bit rate : 3 436 kb/s
Movie name : *********************************
Writing application : HandBrake 0.10.1 2015030800
Writing library : Lavf55.12.0
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 52 min 1 s
Nominal bit rate : 2 500 kb/s
Width : 1 856 pixels
Height : 1 056 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.053
Writing library : x264 core 142 r2479 dd79a61
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=18 / lookahead_threads=3 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=62500 / vbv_bufsize=78125 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Audio #1
ID : 2
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 52 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -5 ms
Stream size : 143 MiB (11%)
Title : Surround
Language : French
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : Yes
Forced : No
Audio #2
ID : 3
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Codec ID : A_AC3
Duration : 52 min 1 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 kb/s
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel layout : L R C LFE Ls Rs
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -5 ms
Stream size : 143 MiB (11%)
Title : Surround
Language : English
Service kind : Complete Main
Default : No
Forced : No
Audio #3
ID : 4
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : A_AAC-2
Duration : 52 min 1 s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -21 ms
Title : Stereo
Language : French
Default : No
Forced : No
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Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:29 AM

So I didn't have to download the software ?

Sylk wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:31 AM

Why do you want to convert this MKV ?

Please Post render settings

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:38 AM

Because it doesn't preview well in Vegas, so I need an intermediate. Also I read somewhere that because mkv in Vegas is experimental, it could crash the project. Anyway I will need to render it in the end so...

As I said above, render settings : Magix intermediate 422 HQ 1080p 23.976fps
To be more precise for the "video rendering quality" setting in the project tab of the render window I picked "best" instead of "use project settings, and in the audio tab I unchecked the "include audio" box.

Sylk wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:43 AM

Do you have selected NVidia NVDEC in Preferences>File I/O ?

3POINT wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:53 AM

It's exactly what I expected, you're working with very compressed (bitrate only 2,5 Mbps) files rendered by Handbrake. Handbrake removed the black top and bottom bars, that's why the file has an unusual resolution.

For me it's absolute ridiculous to convert those to intermediates for further editing, (shit cannot be turned into gold).

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 12:54 AM

@Sylk : I have an AMD GPU (Just in case it matters)
I have the choice between "Intel QSV" and "NVidia NVDEC". Right now "Intel QSV" is selected.
What does it do exactly ?
"Enable hardware decoding for supported formats" and Enable mkv reader (experimental)" are both checked.
@3POINT : It's not like I can tell the guy who encoded it to do it again, it's a torrent so... I actually found and downloaded the same video but in smaller format just in case the mkv wouldn't work with vegas : it's avi xvid, and the resolution is weird too (624x352). On both video you can see awful ghosting so the guy really did a shitty job, but I have no choice, it's an old tv program so no way to find it anywhere else.

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 1:42 AM

I just tried to render it with XAVC-I and it worked. Is it gold now? I hope it will play good during my further editing. The rendered video plays fine in mpchc.

3POINT wrote on 10/6/2019, 2:01 AM

I just tried to render it with XAVC-I and it worked. Is it gold now? I hope it will play good during my further editing. The rendered video plays fine in mpchc.

No it's still shit (sorry for the word), you only increased the bitrate (and filesize) extremely, which doesn't make gold out of it. Your final product will be more than ten times the size of the (bad) "original" with no viewable better quality.

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 2:27 AM

Yes quality will still be crap. You know I'm the first one being sorry about it. It's rare to find some neat high res content to illustrate my music. Somehow I hope these crappy encoded videos will have some charm of their own in 50 years or so, the same way old movies and old songs of poor quality from a century ago are still fine to watch and listen although they were recorded with low res gear. But I don't really believe it :/

Rather than the quality of the image itself which indeed is definitively deteriorated, I was referring to the playability of the now XAVC-I file.

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2019, 6:09 AM

All drama aside, just use mkvextract / mkvtoolnix to pull the original mp4 from the mkv wrapper, and be done with it. XAVC and 422 are heavily inflated (unnecessary) intermediates for your average source.

Also, look at your math. The rule of fours is true for many MOV formats as well. Since 1856/1056 != 16/9, your anamorphic width is ~1877. It's easy to forget to pay attention to this stuff.

It's rare to find some neat high res content to illustrate my music.

Unless you shoot it yourself.

Marty111 wrote on 10/6/2019, 7:12 AM

"Unless you shoot it yourself."
Great idea. Do you still make these fine Dolorean cars in the States ? 'Cause I need to travel back to a few places in time.

Thanks a lot for the tool Musicvid! It will be very useful (no irony here).
I think the xavc will be ok for that particular project though, It's only a few extracts. I noticed the 16/9 ratio, it wasn't precisely 16/9 but extremely close indeed. The guy who encoded the mkv probably had to make an approximate cut of some kind to remove the black top and bottom bars that @3POINT mentioned.

Musicvid wrote on 10/6/2019, 7:28 AM

Yes, it was made anamorphic in a very strange way. Did someone mention you are downloading crap?

We're hoping you settle on some standard formats and display ratios. Soon if possible.