Hi guys,

....I’ve noticed that in the VEGAS Pro 18 Highlights that it mentions only Vegas Pro 18 and Vegas Pro 18 Suite only having the - Video Noise Reduction Tool - and not in Vegas Pro Edit.

@MH7 - Where were the Highlights you saw? If so, and listed as YES, then this is a major oversight! 😉 - Too much background Marketing Noise, maybe?

Well, the VEGAS Pro 18 Highlights is on the product page for VEGAS Pro:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/au/vegas-pro/#productMenu

And the product comparison saids something different to the highlights (what I said above).

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/au/vegas-pro/product-comparison/#productMenu

Just scroll down yourself and you shall see what I’m confused about.

It's in edit but doesn't work so well (exceedingly slow.)

I think the Video Noise Reduction is in both versions of Vegas Pro 18 but I'm not sure. Why not simply test the demo version?

Edit:
I was bit late ...

It really is so slow as to be virtually unusable. Neat Video is a far quicker plug-in (even that runs at about 4-8 fps on my system but uses GPU during rendering) and has many fine tuning options. It is well worth the price especially if you can find it at a discount as I did.

Neat Video - Stunningly fast.

Well, I am currently testing the trial version Vegas Pro 18 (not Vegas Pro 18 edit) and I haven’t tested the video noise removal tool yet, but I will tomorrow. And, Neat Video might be good, but the price is a bit steep on top of buying VEGAS Pro 18, since I film a lot of 4K video). I think VEGAS Pro’s tool will suffice.

Make sure you also trial neat video as a comparison.

It's in edit but doesn't work so well (exceedingly slow.)

You mean, it doesn’t work well in VP 18 Edit, or doesn’t work well in any version?

You mean, it doesn’t work well in VP 18 Edit, or doesn’t work well in any version?

All versions of Vegas Pro are the same. Doesn't matter if you get Edit, the standard Vegas Pro, Suite, or 365. The editor is the same in all of them. The difference is what else is included or how you pay.

You mean, it doesn’t work well in VP 18 Edit, or doesn’t work well in any version?

All versions of Vegas Pro are the same. Doesn't matter if you get Edit, the standard Vegas Pro, Suite, or 365. The editor is the same in all of them. The difference is what else is included or how you pay.

Ah okay. Thanks for that info, mate! 👍🏻

I hope it works slow! Would be worthless if it wasn't....

Would someone like to compare the speed to the best open source denoisers?

Noise Reduction Tool is actually the Video FX plugins called Denoise. However, it is not a really good and really slow in speed. I am using VEGAS Pro 18 Edit.

Just to mention, I am currently redoing some old SD projects that have a fair bit of Neatvideo. I’m outputting to the new VP18 Prores 422 HQ. The time taken is just massive. I am also redoing the same one to avc mp4 as well. The avc time taken is what I would probably expect, much quicker.

Example .. Typical Prores output is about ~ 7.5 fps, (slowed to ~2.5fps near the end of render). The avc one, running now actually is ~ 17.5 fps, started higher. All on my PC.

Its a really wonderful tool in what it provides. I tried different combinations of gpu and cpu, plus the nv recommendation, made no difference.

So for some reason the Prores is much slower than avc h264, I was expecting the opposite, because, just rendering out Prores without nv is quite fast.

I think I figured it out. With a file like Prores, which is ALL-I, every frame requires NV processing, whereas with the h264 long GOP file the NV processing is only required say every 15 frames given the MC file was a GOP of 15.

@JN- | I’ve personally never fiddled with the ProRes format, do you know what the difference is besides ProRes, HEVC (H.265), and H.264? My guess is it’s just another MP4 container.

Noise Reduction Tool is actually the Video FX plugins called Denoise. However, it is not a really good and really slow in speed. I am using VEGAS Pro 18 Edit.

Oh, I thought the ‘Video Noise Reduction Tool’ was in addition to the Denoise tool?

Although my Sony AX700 does film pretty clean 4K video you do get a little bit of noise in low light, like most cameras. Obviously, iPhone 4K video obviously has a decent amount of noise in comparison. Just a question, though, do any of you guys know how best to film with the least amount of noise as possible when in low light situations (if you can’t add more light)?

@JN- | I’ve personally never fiddled with the ProRes format, do you know what the difference is besides ProRes, HEVC (H.265), and H.264? My guess is it’s just another MP4 container.

@MH7 No, Prores is an intermediate type file, ALL-I, whereas hevc and h264 are long group of pictures types.

“do any of you guys know how best to film with the least amount of noise as possible when in low light situations (if you can’t add more light)?”

For sure use/capture in as low a frame rate as is available in your device. If you can control the aperture then shoot it wide open.

Although my Sony AX700 does film pretty clean 4K video you do get a little bit of noise in low light, like most cameras. Obviously, iPhone 4K video obviously has a decent amount of noise in comparison. Just a question, though, do any of you guys know how best to film with the least amount of noise as possible when in low light situations (if you can’t add more light)?

You rent a Sony A7S3, of course. :)

@JN- | I’ve personally never fiddled with the ProRes format, do you know what the difference is besides ProRes, HEVC (H.265), and H.264? My guess is it’s just another MP4 container.

@MH7 No, Prores is an intermediate type file, ALL-I, whereas hevc and h264 are long group of pictures types.

Well, I’ll have to do some research. Thanks for explaining. 🙂👍🏻

“do any of you guys know how best to film with the least amount of noise as possible when in low light situations (if you can’t add more light)?”

For sure use/capture in as low a frame rate as is available in your device. If you can control the aperture then shoot it wide open.

Well, the Sony AX700 allows complete manual control. So, you mean, instead of having the shutter speed set at twice the frame rate, as you normally would, have it set @ 1/25?

EDIT: Changed aperture to shutter speed. I temporarily forgot which was which. Thanks @RogerS! 👍🏻

I think you mean have shutter speed set at twice the frame rate (i.e. 1/50 for 1/25 or 25fps frame rate). Yes, if you need more light first open up aperture, then increase ISO until the point it's too noisy for this camera, and then drag the shutter as much as needed, potentially going down to 1/25. You'll get more motion blur but if it's between that and more noise it may be the smart tradeoff.

For remaining noise, Neat Video works great- I gave up on denoise Fx (it's not just slow but also uses little of the CPU; there's also a flicker control Fx that works as a temporal noise reducer but I had trouble with it crashing upon render) and just went with Neat Video earlier this year.

I'm not sure if it works with a Sony AX700 but filming in low light with FHD instead of 4k decreases also noise.

I think you mean have shutter speed set at twice the frame rate (i.e. 1/50 for 1/25 or 25fps frame rate).

Yes, I did mean that. I temporarily forgot. I truthfully knew what I meant, but sometimes the technical terms can get confusing. I know there’s ISO/Gain, Aperture, and Shutter Speed. Thanks for the correction.

Yes, if you need more light first open up aperture, then increase ISO until the point it's too noisy for this camera, and then drag the shutter as much as needed, potentially going down to 1/25. You'll get more motion blur but if it's between that and more noise it may be the smart tradeoff.

Gotcha! I mostly film family videos so I’ll just have to have a fiddle with those settings and see what works best. Thanks for your help regarding this. I greatly appreciate it. 👍🏻

For remaining noise, Neat Video works great- I gave up on denoise Fx (it's not just slow but also uses little of the CPU; there's also a flicker control Fx that works as a temporal noise reducer but I had trouble with it crashing upon render) and just went with Neat Video earlier this year.

Alright, well, I will the demo version of the plugin a go and see how it works out. Having been testing VP 18 and the denoise tool, I concur, it is quite slow and really slows everything down. I think in future updates or version of this tool it needs GPU acceleration because it definitely could do with it.