Vegas pro workstation

Roman-Grochowski wrote on 8/14/2018, 3:56 PM

Please answer what to choose to work in vegas pro? :
1.Workstation intel 7980XE, nvidia 1080TI /2080RTX
2.Workstation AMD threadripper 2990wx, nvidia 1080TI / 2080RTX
3.Workstation Intel 9900K, nvidia 2080 RTX.

Which configuration will be the fastest and stable?

This is a very important thing when buying a computer for work.

I found only one test in the network.

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Kinvermark wrote on 8/14/2018, 4:39 PM

There are a couple more recent articles. Do a forum search for Techgage and Guru3d.

Not really much information. Vegas has gone through a lot of changes recently, and may be due for more (Note: Vegas 16 is out in a couple weeks.)

Just an "off the cuff" opinion to get the discussion rolling: I like the look of the Amd rx580 and latest threadripper cpu's.

 

 

Musicvid wrote on 8/14/2018, 5:54 PM

Wait for the Tomshardware rendering ( not gaming) benchmarks.

OldSmoke wrote on 8/14/2018, 6:00 PM

Please answer what to choose to work in vegas pro? :
1.Workstation intel 7980XE, nvidia 1080TI /2080RTX
2.Workstation AMD threadripper 2990wx, nvidia 1080TI / 2080RTX
3.Workstation Intel 9900K, nvidia 2080 RTX.

Which configuration will be the fastest and stable?

This is a very important thing when buying a computer for work.

I found only one test in the network.

There is a post in here that links to an article that actually favors the 2950 Threadripper over the 2990wx. I would also look for an AMD card but one that offers the latest HBM2 memory architecture like the new Vega series.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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BruceUSA wrote on 8/16/2018, 8:49 AM

This is why I love mine TR 1st Gen. Running @4ghz, it is already as fast or faster than 2950X @Stock clock. But who would run it at stock clock . Nada. TR CPU and HBM2card is the ticket my friend. Anyone remember we were told bla bla Vegas don't use all those 16 cores. We were told to use use 8-10 cores. But I opted for the 16 cores and will never look back for anything less.

 

PS. Davinci Resolve increase 34% in performance when using the 2990WX. I still have a 2nd brand new (repaired from warranty) X399 Gigabyte TR4 MBO sitting on the shelf. With bios update the old board can run that monster. I will probably snap it if the price drop to $1400 in a yrs or so.

 

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karma17 wrote on 8/16/2018, 8:37 PM

When does the Tom's rendering results usually come out? That's a good reference.

Former user wrote on 8/17/2018, 12:24 AM

 

There is a post in here that links to an article that actually favors the 2950 Threadripper over the 2990wx. I would also look for an AMD card but one that offers the latest HBM2 memory architecture like the new Vega series.

Yes every benchmarking site has confirmed that the 2990wx is a dud, an embarrassment to AMD, with the 2950x beating it across the board with 1/2 the cores. There was one exception, and that was 3d rendering. It's the only thing it does well, however it still didn't scale well. This is a premiere pro render test

Kinvermark wrote on 8/17/2018, 3:50 PM

the 2990wx is a dud, an embarrassment to AMD

Who wrote that particular piece of ridiculous hyperbole? (Just so I know which reviewers cannot be taken seriously 😀).

I do agree that the 2950 is the better choice for most applications; particularly Vegas Pro.

(PS: See the post above from BruceUSA regarding 2990wx performance in Resolve.)

 

Former user wrote on 8/17/2018, 9:27 PM

Oh, that was me. No i'm not to be taken seriously. After reading so many reviews basically stating the same I was just so disappointed in 2990wx.

Techspot & others have noted that linux works much better with this cpu & said the following.

"The performance hiccups that we’ve seen with the 2990WX so far might not all be down to the NUMA configuration, increased memory latency for half the cores, or limited per core bandwidth when fully utilized. But there's also the possibility that the culprit can be found on the Windows scheduler. It's certainly possible a future Windows update could improve things for the 2990WX and we’ve already seen this with the first generation Threadripper CPUs."

zdogg wrote on 8/17/2018, 9:42 PM

the 2990wx is a dud, an embarrassment to AMD

Who wrote that particular piece of ridiculous hyperbole? (Just so I know which reviewers cannot be taken seriously 😀).

I do agree that the 2950 is the better choice for most applications; particularly Vegas Pro.

(PS: See the post above from BruceUSA regarding 2990wx performance in Resolve.)

 

Yes, that doesn't seem to be the case, the 2990 holds up well, Those prices will, obviously, come down and a year from now would probably be the time to buy, but if you have the money, the 2950 sounds exciting.

 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/18/2018, 12:14 AM

This is why I love mine TR 1st Gen. Running @4ghz, it is already as fast or faster than 2950X @Stock clock. But who would run it at stock clock . Nada. TR CPU and HBM2card is the ticket my friend. Anyone remember we were told bla bla Vegas don't use all those 16 cores. We were told to use use 8-10 cores. But I opted for the 16 cores and will never look back for anything less.

 

PS. Davinci Resolve increase 34% in performance when using the 2990WX. I still have a 2nd brand new (repaired from warranty) X399 Gigabyte TR4 MBO sitting on the shelf. With bios update the old board can run that monster. I will probably snap it if the price drop to $1400 in a yrs or so.

 

Are the 16cores of the AMD ThreadRipper utilized in a good way by Vegas?

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/18/2018, 12:17 AM

GPU performance

https://techgage.com/article/performance-testing-redshift-blender-magix-vegas/

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bitman wrote on 8/18/2018, 3:11 AM

Competition between AMD and Intel is always good for us, personally I use the 6 core Intel coffee lake as I use the PC not only for Vegas. I also not entirely convinced in the present state of any software (except AI, scientific stuff etc..) on having an extreme amount of CPU cores to do the job, parallelism is not easy and the speed benefits although real do not scale linear and are only beneficial up to a certain point. Also be careful with performance testing articles, as they usually do not take into account rendering of a complex workpieces with multiple plugins from different companies...

Maybe a tip for those having an intel coffee lake or anticipating one, Intel will be coming up with an 8 core coffee lake variant very soon to smoke AMD Ryzen (rumors around September October?) I9-9900K it will possibly launched with a new chipset, but the interesting thing is that all the major MOBO brands with Z370 chipset have now a new BIOS firmware ready for download to introduce "future new Intel CPU" and it is rumored to be (amongst others) this 8 core Intel coffee lake...

https://hothardware.com/news/intel-core-i9-9900k-8-core-coffee-lake-benchmarks-3dmark

There is now also a limited edition 6 core coffee type lake out which is running at official speed of 5GHz (not overclocked). Hopefully an upped speed close to 5Ghz will trickle also in I9-9900K. Rumors are that the heat spreader will be soldered now instead of using paste ...

If you have spare cash to burn then I would go for the 3000 dollar Nvidia Titan V (yes not X but V for Volta architecture), why not buy 2 and pair them 😀

at roman, the upcoming nvidea 2080RTX has less cuda cores than 1080ti (and thus maybe ? slower). You need to get the upcoming nvidea 2080ti RTX which has more cuda cores than 1080ti or get the Titan V which beats them all. Mind you, you can only order 2 per person 😉

 

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BruceUSA wrote on 8/18/2018, 6:38 AM

This is why I love mine TR 1st Gen. Running @4ghz, it is already as fast or faster than 2950X @Stock clock. But who would run it at stock clock . Nada. TR CPU and HBM2card is the ticket my friend. Anyone remember we were told bla bla Vegas don't use all those 16 cores. We were told to use use 8-10 cores. But I opted for the 16 cores and will never look back for anything less.

 

PS. Davinci Resolve increase 34% in performance when using the 2990WX. I still have a 2nd brand new (repaired from warranty) X399 Gigabyte TR4 MBO sitting on the shelf. With bios update the old board can run that monster. I will probably snap it if the price drop to $1400 in a yrs or so.

 

Are the 16cores of the AMD ThreadRipper utilized in a good way by Vegas?

Absolutely. CPU usage in rendering I am seeing 75-100% along with gpu hovering from 16 - 65%.

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BruceUSA wrote on 8/18/2018, 7:07 AM

CPU:  i9 Core Ultra 285K OCed @5.6Ghz  
MBO: MSI Z890 MEG ACE Gaming Wifi 7 10G Super Lan, thunderbolt 4
RAM: 48GB RGB DDR5 8200mhz
GPU: NVidia RTX 5080 16GB Triple fan OCed 3100mhz, Bandwidth 1152 GB/s     
NVMe: 2TB T705 Gen5 OS, 4TB Gen4 storage
MSI PSU 1250W. OS: Windows 11 Pro. Custom built hard tube watercooling

 

                                   

                 

               

 

OldSmoke wrote on 8/18/2018, 7:55 AM

@BruceUSA Is the CPU load across all cores?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

BruceUSA wrote on 8/18/2018, 8:03 AM

I am not at my computer at the moment but I will run another test with task manager open to verify it later on today.

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NVMe: 2TB T705 Gen5 OS, 4TB Gen4 storage
MSI PSU 1250W. OS: Windows 11 Pro. Custom built hard tube watercooling

 

                                   

                 

               

 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/18/2018, 8:14 AM

 

Absolutely. CPU usage in rendering I am seeing 75-100% along with gpu hovering from 16 - 65%.

Great!

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Kinvermark wrote on 8/18/2018, 10:33 AM

IIRC, I think the GURU3D article also mentioned that Vegas was using 16 cores (but not 32 on the 2990wx)

Along with the high quantity of PCIE lanes, I am guessing an AMD setup could be a good choice. Thanks to @BruceUSA for the initial testing.

marcin88 wrote on 8/18/2018, 7:07 PM

So the best is AMD amd threadripper 2950x.
Which graphics card should I choose?
AMD VEGA 64 or Nvidia 2080 RTX?
That is the question :)
I think nvidia will be better?

My programs are vegas pro, davinci resolve and adobe after effects

OldSmoke wrote on 8/18/2018, 7:47 PM

I think nvidia will be better?

Why do you think that?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

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marcin88 wrote on 8/18/2018, 8:18 PM

It's just guess.
It's great how someone will test it and write here.

OldSmoke wrote on 8/18/2018, 9:06 PM

I personally switched from NVIDIA to AMD specifically for Vegas and don’t regret it. Since a couple of updates back, VP15 supports AMD’s VCE encoder. With the better OpenCL implementation over NVIDIA, I would rather buy a AMD Vega 64 or Frontier Edition, especially now with 8GB of HBM2 memory.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Former user wrote on 8/18/2018, 9:46 PM

You use VCE instead of your 16core cpu for rendering?

 

zdogg wrote on 8/19/2018, 12:55 AM

So the best is AMD amd threadripper 2950x.
Which graphics card should I choose?
AMD VEGA 64 or Nvidia 2080 RTX?
That is the question :)
I think nvidia will be better?

My programs are vegas pro, davinci resolve and adobe after effects

So what so the "other" programs play well with, i.e., Davinci AE?

I believe those like Nvidia better.