Youtube blowing out whites/ crushing blacks on Vegas vids :- (

BWX232 wrote on 12/17/2018, 3:20 PM

Vegas 15.0 Movie Studio Platinum 146

Youtube blowing out whites/ crushing blacks on Vegas edited vids, but not on original gopro vids.

What is vegas doing to the videos that makes youtube crush blacks and blow out highlights. Vids I edit were not changed in editor with filters. Vids play fine on my PC without crushing blacks/ blowing out whites.

But as soon as I upload them to youtube, they are wrecked. Original gopro hero7 black vids upload directly to youtube are not affected either in this way.

I thought it was maybe a problem with difference between 0-255 vs 16-235 RGB, and that's what it looks like, but it doesn't affect any videos but the ones uploaded to youtube. It happens when I look at the uploaded vids on my ipad and phone to so it's not just some setting on my PC that's messes up. I have a 4k TV as monitor and everything is default color settings on GTX1070.

It's driving me nuts. I just paid a lot for this Gopro Hero7 Black and the vids are amazing, until I upload edited vids to youtube, and then they look like crap, even at 4k 60 fps.

Render settings -

MAGIX HEVC/AAC MP$

Using slightly modified "Internet 4K 2160p 59.94 fps (NVIDIA NVENC)"

I dunno if my pc is in sig or not so :

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K Skylake 4.2ghz

Motherboard: ASUS Z170-PRO LGA 1151

Video Card: GIGABYTE GTX 1070 GV-N1070G1 GAMING-8GD GDDR5

System RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 3400 (PC4 27200)

PSU: Cooler Master V850 - 850W 80 PLUS Gold

Hard Drives: Western Digital WD Black 7200 RPM x 5 (13 TB total)

Operating System: Windows 10 Ultimate (64-bit)

55" 4k HDR 60hz Aquos display HDMI

Media info of vids in question:

Raw vids (this one is 2.7k, some are also 4k)

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General
Complete name                            : I:\GOPRO\12-14-18 TW200 and XSR900 ride\GH020042.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 3.73 GiB
Duration                                 : 8 min 51 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 60.2 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 8 min 51 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 60.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 2 704 pixels
Height                                   : 1 520 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.244
Stream size                              : 3.71 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro AVC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 8 min 51 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 12.0 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14

Other #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 8 min 51 s
Time code of first frame                 : 11:56:27:05
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 11:45:14
Bit rate mode                            : CBR

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 8 min 51 s
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Other #3
Type                                     : meta
mdhd_Duration                            : 531531
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Example 4k raw vid Media info

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General
Complete name                            : I:\GOPRO\12-14-18 TW200 and XSR900 ride\GX010045.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 429 MiB
Duration                                 : 59 s 712 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 60.3 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 59 s 693 ms
Bit rate                                 : 60.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.121
Stream size                              : 428 MiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro H.265
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 59 s 712 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 1.35 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33

Other #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 59 s 693 ms
Time code of first frame                 : 13:03:51:33
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-14 12:51:33
Bit rate mode                            : CBR

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 59 s 59 ms
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Other #3
Type                                     : meta
mdhd_Duration                            : 59693
Bit rate mode                            : VBR

Vegas 15 edited video Media info:

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General
Complete name                            : I:\VEGAS STUDIO 15 PROJECTS\12-14-18 TW200 and XSR900 ride gopro 4k\BWX 12-14-18 TW200 XSR900 winter ride gopro 4k 2.7k test.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (isom/mp42)
File size                                : 14.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 35 min 35 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 59.5 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:05
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:05

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L5@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 35 min 35 s
Bit rate                                 : 59.3 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.119
Stream size                              : 14.8 GiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:09
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:09
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Format profile                           : AAC@L2
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 35 min 35 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 349 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 48.2 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:09
Tagged date                              : UTC 2018-12-16 20:28:09

Comments

BWX232 wrote on 12/17/2018, 3:38 PM

A more visible example of the problem in more challenging light.

Look how crushed the blacks are and how blown out the clouds are.

On the right is same video shown on my PC on Media Player Classic HC.

In MPC HC is under "render settings" I change "output range" to 0-255 instead of 16-235 on original gopro vid it doesn't change anything. If I do the same in the Vegas file, it looks like it does on Youtube. But I still don't know how to fix that in editor since I'm not changing any setting in Vegas in the first place.

Marco. wrote on 12/17/2018, 3:39 PM

For your YouTube upload use the Levels FX with "Computer RGB to Studio RGB" setting, applied as Output FX.

BWX232 wrote on 12/17/2018, 3:45 PM

For your YouTube upload use the Levels FX with "Computer RGB to Studio RGB" setting, applied as Output FX.

Thanks! I will try it!

EricLNZ wrote on 12/17/2018, 4:45 PM

In MPC HC is under "render settings" I change "output range" to 0-255 instead of 16-235 on original gopro vid it doesn't change anything.

I experience the same with MPHC. You need to go into View\Options and apply a Playback Shader. Also check your pc graphic settings for video to see if it's using full or limited range and whether it allows applications to apply their own settings.

Musicvid wrote on 12/17/2018, 5:14 PM

No playback device correction can replace the damage from clipped source.

It can turn full range source back into playable range.

BWX232 wrote on 12/17/2018, 6:21 PM

The crazy thing is that it is only messed up after youtube gets the file.

It looks fine on my PC, same with original file. Both look the same on PC player set to 0-255 However original raw video uploaded to youtube does NOT get the blacks crushed and the whites blown out.

Same exact video put through Vegas looks fine on PC, no information gone, nothing blown out. I upload it to youtube and it is wrecked.

So I will apply that filter "Computer RGB to Studio RGB" before rendering. I think that will fix the problem on youtube. I already tested it in the Vegas full screen player which you can switch back and forth between computer RGB and Studio RGB and it is fixed there.

I am sure on my PC the vid will looked washed out but oh well. Making it for youtube so that's all that matters.

I still can't understand why youtube wrecks one video and not the other. In fact in MPC HC if I switch between 0-255 and 16-235, the Vegas vid file is affected and the gopro raw file is not. So must be something to do with format or something.. I don't really care about the reason as long as I can fix it on Vegas vid file.

Musicvid wrote on 12/17/2018, 7:06 PM

Do you by chance have a "dynamic contrast" or similar control turned on in your graphics settings? Sounds like it.

With the recommended Studio RGB Filter applied, the Vegas preview should look too flat (gray), and your local and YouTube playback should look the same and correct.

BWX232 wrote on 12/17/2018, 7:28 PM

Do you by chance have a "dynamic contrast" or similar control turned on in your graphics settings? Sounds like it.

With the recommended Studio RGB Filter applied, the Vegas preview should look too flat (gray), and your local and YouTube playback should look the same and correct.

Nope no dynamic anything set on PC. Just defaults. On TV I make sure to turn all the dynamic stuff off too so it doesn't cause confusion.

None of the settings explains it happening to one file (vegas output vid file) and not the other (raw gopro file) though.

The raw file is seemingly unaffected by dynamic range output setting in MPC HC and looks fine on YT, but the Vegas file is affected by that setting, and youtube crushed blacks on it. But they look exactly the same being played on my PC. It doesn't make sense. But oh well..

And BTW by default in Nvidia control panel it is set to let program decide full screen playback dynamic range.

Well "applications control color settings" anyways. But that's ok. It's the same as always and I never noticed these issues before. Maybe it's just more noticeable on 4k and 2.7k files. Before I was working with 1080p and up-scaling to 1440p. That's the only thing that's changed, but that's a lot. Maybe I just didn't notice it before.

Marco. wrote on 12/18/2018, 2:35 AM

I guess the problem might be (again) that some decoders and players read the file's color range flag and some (or even most) does not. It looks like YouTube reads it and exporting MP4 files from Vegas Pro (both H.264 and H.265) will always be flagged as "limited" color range.
For H.264 media I found a way to set the color range flag to "full" without re-encoding (using FFmpeg). But same thing does not work for H.265 and yet I haven't found an encoder which does set the color range to "full" for H.265 transcoding.
Thus so far the only way to correctly feed YouTube with H.265 media might be to have the levels graded to a limited color range.

All that said without having checked wether this is that case again when you will have different results for viewing YouTube videos in different browsers. This is what we had in the past. Some browsers stretched the video levels, some didn't.

Musicvid wrote on 12/18/2018, 11:12 AM

@BWX232

Since you took an interest in this, here is a humorous look at the whole conundrum. When I wrote this, I calculated the chances of getting correct playback levels at 1:32. Not for the faint of heart.

But now, after reading your post, I think the odds must have jumped by a couple of more powers of two. Read it, breathe deep, and know that you are anything but alone.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

BWX232 wrote on 12/18/2018, 12:16 PM

LOL

@BWX232

Since you took an interest in this, here is a humorous look at the whole conundrum. When I wrote this, I calculated the chances of getting correct playback levels at 1:32. Not for the faint of heart.

But now, after reading your post, I think the odds must have jumped by a couple of more powers of two. Read it, breathe deep, and know that you are anything but alone.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

Yeah I think I had a nice RGB Shirley video, and Youtube turned her into a nasty Clipped Shirley!

Well the good part is I didn't spend 18 weeks (or months) of my life experimenting trying to figure it out on my own. Haha.

I simply applied that Level FX filter and although the vid does looked grayed out on my PC in MPC, youtube incorrectly showing it as a limited range video fixed it just about perfectly. LOL

Example raw vid uploaded to youtube:

Here is the Vegas edited vid that youtube clipped that looks fine on my PC

And here is the one that I set the Level filter on that looks washed out on my PC, but youtube incorrectly playing it back as limited range fixes it. Not sure how much detail if any is lost.

It looks pretty good to me. So I guess I'll just apply that filter to all my vids from now on. Maybe it's incorrect and a hack, but hey at least it's a solution!

Musicvid wrote on 12/18/2018, 12:21 PM

Yes, it's a solution, the one I would recommend. Just wanted to be sure something deeper wasn't bedeviling you.

BWX232 wrote on 12/18/2018, 1:42 PM

LOL there's always something deeper bedeviling me! Haha. 😆

BWX232 wrote on 12/18/2018, 1:43 PM

BTW thanks for tips and help guys!

Musicvid wrote on 12/18/2018, 3:03 PM

LOL there's always something deeper bedeviling me! Haha. 😆

Well, you've come to the right place.