Super deal offered on VP18 edit. Seeking advice from you experts.

Joe-Engel4655 schrieb am 16.05.2021 um 22:55 Uhr

Hi Guys! I own VMSP17 and am gradually.... gradually learning to use it. But often, even the basics leaves me stumped. But suddenly, when I open the app, a new notice jumps up on my screen offering Vegas Pro 18 EDIT upgrade for me for $99.00. Now that seems like a great deal but I had no idea what the "EDIT" version was so I looked up the comparisons and it seems to be pretty much the same as Vegas Pro 18. Right?

Question is, does the edit version have a "gotcha" where a newbie like me will suddenly have to step up for a more expensive version (as in "oh, that's not included in the edit version, so sorry".) And would a newbie like me be able to learn and take advantage of the VP18 features when I still struggle with VMSP 17?

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JN- schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 01:33 Uhr

@Joe-Engel4655 I’d say the only Gotcha is that VP19 comes out in ~ August.

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andyrpsmith schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 01:56 Uhr

No the Edit version is just fine and does everything you need. as JN says V19 will be out soon and before it arrives Magix will offer buy V18 and get a free update to V19 all at a reduced price. Vegas is so simple to do the basics but also has much complexity below the surface if you need to dig deeper. (if you need other options for sound editing like sound forge or spectral layers they are often available at large discounts).

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Musicvid schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 02:37 Uhr

It's a good question.

Edit is fine. It's what I have. And the upgrade path to 19 seems totally worth it.

RogerS schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 03:12 Uhr

For $99 I'd do it personally- never saw an upgrade to a current version of VP be that low! I personally went from Movie Studio to Vegas Pro (Edit) and it was an easy switch.

Joe-Engel4655 schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 04:03 Uhr

Hi Guys and than you for your comments. But now I am confused. If VP 19 is due in roughly Aug. Did I understand that buying VP18 now would entitle me to a free upgrade to VP 19 upon its release? Or did you mean that I would be qualified to buy VP 19 at the normal "upgrade" price?

If the former, I'm in. If the latter, I can't afford another $100.00 in 3 months.

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fifonik schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 04:30 Uhr

I also went from VMS to VP and never went back as VP offers much more and many things are really required for me these days (like better 3rd party plugins support)

If you buy VP18 now you will not be eligible for VP19 free upgrade. To be eligible you will need to wait, they usually have such offer close to new version release date. You may miss the your current VMS to VP offer if you wait.

Upgrading from VP18 Edit to VP19 Edit will cost you more (should be about $159 when they offer discounts).

If you are very limited in funds, I'd wait and see what would be an offer to upgrade from VMS to VP18 close to VP19 release (so with the free upgrade). If price is too high, I'd wait for another HumbleBundle deal in the next year when you can get VP16 or similar for a low price (it is just finished).

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RogerS schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 04:48 Uhr

Hi Guys and than you for your comments. But now I am confused. If VP 19 is due in roughly Aug. Did I understand that buying VP18 now would entitle me to a free upgrade to VP 19 upon its release? Or did you mean that I would be qualified to buy VP 19 at the normal "upgrade" price?

If the former, I'm in. If the latter, I can't afford another $100.00 in 3 months.

You probably have to choose. Pay $100 now for VP 18 or $150-200 at some point during the life of VP 19 (prices near the initial release are at the higher end of the range). You don't *have* to upgrade to VP 19, 18 works well and it's a perpetual license.

I wouldn't count on a HumbleBundle as they don't come yearly and to get to VP 18 or 19 would be at least $30 for that plus $150 to upgrade.

Rednroll schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 19:26 Uhr

I also went from VMS to VP and never went back as VP offers much more and many things are really required for me these days (like better 3rd party plugins support)

The trouble is, in the past it was easier to identify the differences between VMS and VP. VMS had a limited amount of Video and Audio tracks as well as often didn't include 3rd party plugin support and didn't support the higher resolution video and audio codec formats. Sony also published on their website side-by-side feature comparison details, so a customer at a glance could see what they were additionally getting between VMS and VP to be able to make a better informed purchase decision.

Now when I look at VMS "Platinum" and try to compare it to "VP Edit" there isn't a side-by-side feature comparison available that is published by Magix. VMSP now has unlimited tracks, 3rd party plugin support, and seems to support the latest hi-res video formats. The only thing I have been able to easily identify by viewing the VMS feature comparison which is available, is that it shows VMS only supports up to 16bit/48Khz audio which many people work with anyways.

It really seems to me the current path is that VMS and VP will eventually merge into one core Vegas product offering, which will likely make supporting them simpler. Where it seems what will be different between them are the additionally bundled software offerings.

I'm a long time Vegas Pro user and even I am having difficulties looking at this feature comparison of VMS "Platinum"

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-movie-studio/product-comparison/?_ga=2.195524202.71720707.1620992626-117598940.1620478662

and this separate feature comparison of VP Edit and be able to identify the differences between them.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-pro/product-comparison/?_ga=2.194990571.71720707.1620992626-117598940.1620478662

I just finished struggling to figure out what "Vegas Post Suite" included compared to "Vegas Pro Suite" since the Vegas Post Suite is not included as part of the feature comparison summaries.

In the mean-time until these different products merge as I'm speculating, Magix really needs to work on updating some of the side-by-side Product feature comparisons of VMS vs VP and include Vegas Post Suite in there as well or these customer confusions of what we're actually purchasing are likely to continue. At this time, the only easily identifiable difference between them are their names and prices.

A $99 upgrade offer from VMS Platinum to VP Edit sounds like a spectacular deal. However, can anyone summarize what you're actually additionally getting with that upgrade over what they have currently? I know one says "Pro" and the other doesn't. Anything else?

D7K schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 19:36 Uhr

How about color management, always thought that was the big difference in the two.

FayFen schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 21:14 Uhr

It's all down to the type of videos you are doing.

For edits tools and flow with some overlays and titles, VMS is just fine.

Your content should "speak" more than the SW/HW you are using.

walter-i. schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 22:37 Uhr

I even wanted to downgrade about a year ago because, to be honest, I don't really make elaborate videos and VMS is a lot cheaper.
However, the scripting and the speed envelope (both of which I really like) made me stay with Vegas Pro.

Howard-Vigorita schrieb am 17.05.2021 um 23:31 Uhr

$99 is a pretty good deal. But usually about a month before an upgrade comes out there's a 2-for-1 upgrade offer... which would be vp18 plus vp19 when it comes out. But that's been priced about $199 for Edit in the past. Personally, I'd go for that instead even though I already own vp18... just so I can run it on 2 more machines without deactivating others.

fifonik schrieb am 18.05.2021 um 04:28 Uhr

@Rednroll Many thanks. I did not know that these days VMSP have such functionality. Will download trial and check it out. It looks like VMSP have everything I need right now (it was not the same 5+ years ago). And sure, it would be nice if at least VMSP is included in VP comparison chart.

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Rednroll schrieb am 18.05.2021 um 07:04 Uhr

Hi Guys! I own VMSP17 and am gradually.... gradually learning to use it. But often, even the basics leaves me stumped. But suddenly, when I open the app, a new notice jumps up on my screen offering Vegas Pro 18 EDIT upgrade for me for $99.00. Now that seems like a great deal but I had no idea what the "EDIT" version was so I looked up the comparisons and it seems to be pretty much the same as Vegas Pro 18. Right?

Question is, does the edit version have a "gotcha" where a newbie like me will suddenly have to step up for a more expensive version (as in "oh, that's not included in the edit version, so sorry".) And would a newbie like me be able to learn and take advantage of the VP18 features when I still struggle with VMSP 17?


As mentioned previously, I had some struggles understanding some of the differences between the Vegas Pro offerings. Here's a summary. Essentially, you won't run into any gotchas by getting "Vegas Pro Edit". It's the same core Vegas Pro software package as all the others minus additional bundled software.

Vegas Pro Edit= Vegas Pro

Vegas Pro= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 1 (Sound Forge Pro 14)

Vegas Pro Suite= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 2 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Additional Pro 3rd party Video Plugins)

Vegas POST Suite= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 3 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Vegas Effects + Vegas Image)

Vegas Stream Pro 365= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 4 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Online Storage and Subscription model Updates)

Vegas Stream Post 365= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 5 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Online Storage and Subscription Model Updates+ Vegas Effect+Vegas Image)

jetdv schrieb am 18.05.2021 um 15:27 Uhr
Vegas Stream Pro 365= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 4 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Online Storage and Subscription model Updates)

Vegas Stream Post 365= Vegas Pro Edit + Bundle 5 (Sound Forge Pro 14 + Online Storage and Subscription Model Updates+ Vegas Effect+Vegas Image)

The Vegas Stream 365 versions also include Vegas Stream.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-stream/?AffiliateID=145&phash=BBPtCllArZvjlyXI&gclid=CjwKCAjwy42FBhB2EiwAJY0yQvO8oXHtLaI8V7MHgDd-plqaktL8qT7fkK8C5M1XppFPB7pqhZ7cZxoCCpIQAvD_BwE

I use this all the time for the tutorials I create. It allows you to record multiple sources and then pull them all onto the Vegas timeline for editing sync'd and ready to go.

Rednroll schrieb am 18.05.2021 um 15:45 Uhr

The Vegas Stream 365 versions also include Vegas Stream.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.com/us/vegas-stream/?AffiliateID=145&phash=BBPtCllArZvjlyXI&gclid=CjwKCAjwy42FBhB2EiwAJY0yQvO8oXHtLaI8V7MHgDd-plqaktL8qT7fkK8C5M1XppFPB7pqhZ7cZxoCCpIQAvD_BwE

I use this all the time for the tutorials I create. It allows you to record multiple sources and then pull them all onto the Vegas timeline for editing sync'd and ready to go.

Thanks ed!

I never used Vegas stream and was unfamiliar. Interesting, I just responded to another post where they were attempting to record multiple video tracks and audio tracks simultaneously in Vegas. I provided the explanation of the process of recording separate video on the cameras and audio directly into vegas and then syncing them in post within Vegas. It seems like Vegas stream may be closer to what they were actually looking for.

Joe-Engel4655 schrieb am 18.05.2021 um 20:32 Uhr

Just to thank you all for your thoughts and suggestions regarding my question.

As I am an amateur and attempting very simple home video, dashcam, photo, travelogue and family type productions. Gathering a lot of disjointed clips, a little cleanup, a few titles, some captions, some music, some voice-over and send it out to family and friends. I expect that, based upon your comments, VMSP will probably be more than capable. Thanks again all!

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Dimitrios schrieb am 19.05.2021 um 12:30 Uhr

Yeah I would buy edit for $99 thats a steal. Don't upgrade to 19, wait till 20 or whenever you feel you want a new feature. Pro is very similar to platinum in terms of use, and if you advance in your editing you will have pro features to grow into.

studio-4 schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 04:49 Uhr

Wow! I'm still totally confused! I bought Vegas Movie Studio 17 Suite for $79 with only one included FX bundle (FXhome Ignite Advanced VFX Pack; though, I thought I was getting ActionVFX). So what do you get with the $99 upgrade to pro? I mean feature-wise? Below is some stuff I don't need.

Don't need:
• Support for any resolution above full-HD (1920x1080) at 1080p24/60.
• Improved color-grading tools.

Stuff I would like:
• More effects/filters/auto-looks.
• ?

In fact, the only thing I can think of that I would want in an "improved" Vegas is simply more plug-ins and filters; e.g., "auto-looks." I don't even really need Vegas Image or SoundForge (though I actually really like SoundForge).

Any "pro" features are likely to be wasted on me since I'm working in exclusively in plain 'ole 2K full-HD. Also, I'm not a huge color-grading guy and never shoot RAW or S-Log—most of the canned "looks" are totally fine for me. Are there any other functional and/or feature-improvements to the core video-editing app in "pro" versus VMS 17 Suite?

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RogerS schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 04:58 Uhr

Wow! I'm still totally confused! I bought Vegas Movie Studio 17 Suite for $79 with only one included FX bundle (FXhome Intensity; though, I thought I was getting ActionVFX). So what do you get with the $99 upgrade to pro? I mean feature-wise? Here's stuff I don't need:

Don't need:
• Support for any resolution above full-HD (1920x1080) at 1080p24/60.
• Improved color-grading tools.

Stuff I would like:
• More effects/filters/auto-looks.
• ?

In fact, the only thing I can think of that I would want in an "improved" Vegas is simply more plug-ins and filters; e.g., "auto-looks."

Any "pro" features are likely to be wasted on me since I'm working in exclusively in plain 'ole 2K full-HD. Also, I'm not a huge color-grading guy and never shoot RAW or S-Log—most of the canned "looks" are totally fine for me. Are there any other functional and/or feature-improvements to the core video-editing app in "pro" versus VMS 17 Suite?

We're not here to convince you to buy anything. I'd do the VP 18 demo and see for yourself if it's useful for what you do. For Fx you're better off looking to third-party packages- Vegas has limited bells and whistles.

studio-4 schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 05:06 Uhr

Without downloading the demo, can anyone just mention a few of the key improvements?

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Blackmagic Design Media Express 2.3 for Windows 10.
WinDV 1.2.3.
Microsoft Edge (default browser; no plug-ins).

HP desktop OpenFX add-ons:
FXhome Ignite Advanced VFX pack.
BorisFX' Stylize Unit 2020.5.
NewBlue Elements 3 Overlay.

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Reyfox schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 09:13 Uhr

Here is comparison of the Vegas 17 models:

 

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.3.2

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

Marco. schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 09:23 Uhr

If you do video editing often and/or on a regular basis it is likely you would benefit from the scripting and extension facilities and resources of Vegas Pro. It's still unbeatable. It doesn't add effect thingies, it simplifies workflows. It's one of the main reasons I use Vegas Pro.

If you're after building your own effects then the compositing modes of Vegas Pro is another advantage over Movie Studio.

Joe-Engel4655 schrieb am 08.06.2021 um 20:51 Uhr

Hello Marco!

So for us newbies and never touched Vegas Pro... Could you describe a little about what is scripting and what is compositing as compared to what's possible in Movie Studio.

Thank you

Joe

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