100% Zoom (and Beyond) in Vegas

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 9:51 AM

As far as I know there is no way to see a 100% view using Vegas' preview window. You can see non-scaled images if you have a secondary monitor (and uncheck "scale images to fit"), but if you want to see a 1-to-1 view in the preview window, there is no direct way do that.

I was thinking maybe I could use the clip pan/crop to crop in as a hack. The idea would be to crop in so that the frame size matches the preview window size (which is helpfully shown below the transport controls below the preview). But I'm not sure if that's actually a 1-to-1 view.

If I crop way, way in to an image, say to where the frame width is only a handful of pixels wide, Vegas doesn't show me individual pixels -- instead it shows some kind of average. I have no good explanation for this behavior. If I crop to, say, 18x18 and set project properties to an 18x18 frame size, Vegas still shows a blur/average instead of actual pixels.

So maybe there's no way to see a true 100% zoom in the preview window.

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Yelandkeil wrote on 10/1/2021, 9:59 AM

Not really understood what you mean. Is this 100% zoom:

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Former user wrote on 10/1/2021, 10:00 AM

Right-click on the Preview window and you will see your options. You can see %100 size.

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 12:03 PM

DougT thank you! That's awesome! This is so helpful.

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 12:06 PM

Maybe asking too much but is there a way to click-and-drag the non-scaled image in the preview so you can shift to the specific part of the frame you want to work on at 100%?

Musicvid wrote on 10/1/2021, 12:44 PM

No unfortunately. wysiwyg

Former user wrote on 10/1/2021, 12:55 PM

@Ai-Au Unfortunately, no. I wish they would add that as a feature.

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 1:49 PM

Well, not quite Christmas in July, but still very helpful. Using pan/crop and moving the image around is a workaround, I guess.

Any idea what Vegas is showing me when I crop in with scaling unchecked? It still shows a blurred field rather than zooming into pixels.

Marco. wrote on 10/1/2021, 2:13 PM

This probably depends on the quality setting set in Project Properties.

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 5:18 PM

Doesn't seem to be affected by quality setting of either preview or project. Appears Vegas is uprezzing the crop to fit the preview window even when scaling is unchecked.

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 10/1/2021, 8:04 PM

Who marked this as resolved? It is not !

This is a feature i am so loooong awaiting to be implemented in Vegas. Where you can easily zoom in and out of the preview screen using the mouse scroll wheel and also being able to pan around in any direction, for example just like how you would do in the after effects preview screen..... Unfortunately not anytime soon.

Musicvid wrote on 10/1/2021, 8:24 PM

Try Windows Key + +

May have to click it a few times to open the Magnifier.

ALO wrote on 10/1/2021, 10:32 PM

If you zoom in enough in Photoshop this is what you'll eventually see:

Vegas is doing something completely different: it's resampling the image.

...although now that I think about it, since I'm basically hacking the pan/crop tool to create a zoom tool, what Vegas is doing is what it should be doing. Pan/Crop obviously ought to resample/upres the image, because that's what we want our audience to see.

Would be nice if we editors could see pixels, though, when we wanted to. At least I can easily see a 100% zoom in the preview window. That's more than I was hoping for -- thanks again!

Windows magnifier interesting but not useful for this purpose.

J-Toresen wrote on 10/2/2021, 4:37 AM

You can use the Picture In Picture effect and drag the Scale in X slider to the right to zoom inn, then you can pan the picture in the preview window using the mouse.

Jøran Toresen

Steve_Rhoden wrote on 10/2/2021, 7:32 AM

@J-Toresen , I know about said work-around, it's the best option at the moment.... But what i am referring to is a different implementation of it directly within the Video Preview Window's functionality.

RogerS wrote on 10/2/2021, 9:17 AM

Thanks J, that's a good idea.

john_dennis wrote on 10/2/2021, 9:37 AM

“Would be nice if we editors could see pixels, though, when we wanted to.”

Please elucidate. What is the significance of 1/8,300,000 of a UHD frame that potentially changes from 24 to 60 times per second?

ALO wrote on 10/2/2021, 10:30 AM

“Would be nice if we editors could see pixels, though, when we wanted to.”

Please elucidate. What is the significance of 1/8,300,000 of a UHD frame that potentially changes from 24 to 60 times per second?

zooming in at 1-1 or even 2-1 or 3-1 is very useful when you're trying to assess how much sharpening to add. I zoom in deeply when I'm setting black points because true black regions are sometimes very small and hard to find -- and sometimes I like to find the camera's noise floor and use that. I'd guess there are many people who like to zoom in deeply also to see what's going on -- if the color key they're doing is creating artifacts, for example. And many more reasons beyond that.

More importantly: why would anyone want to deny someone that ability, if that's what they want in their NLE? I swear, sometimes there's a streak of "If Vegas can't do it, you should be asking for it" on this forum. Maybe! But that kind of thinking leads to sclerotic software. Let the kids play! :)

RogerS wrote on 10/2/2021, 10:40 AM

I agree- sharpening, noise reduction (though NeatVideo does zoom in itself), masking and for some color correction it's helpful to zoom in on frames to avoid artifacts and make sure you are adjusting what you think you are.

Anyway it's nothing new to ask VCS to implement this, but probably not going to happen any time soon as redoing the preview window is a big change.

alifftudm95 wrote on 10/2/2021, 11:46 AM

I understood what you mean, I don't think there is a way to see 1:1 view of the pixels in VEGAS Pro. I think all NLE are the same including PR.

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john_dennis wrote on 10/2/2021, 1:01 PM

I don’t wish to deny you anything that the market will bear.

ALO wrote on 10/3/2021, 9:33 AM

I don’t wish to deny you anything that the market will bear.

Sorry if I got a little prickley there! I'm oddly passionate about Vegas and want to see it not just survive but thrive. :)

ALO wrote on 10/3/2021, 9:34 AM

I understood what you mean, I don't think there is a way to see 1:1 view of the pixels in VEGAS Pro. I think all NLE are the same including PR.

See DougT's solution above -- you can see a 100% view in the preview window

Musicvid wrote on 10/3/2021, 10:30 AM

1:1 preview is easy in a raster preview. Dragging the frame around in Pan/Crop doesn't seem to load the system or cause preview stutter. See if that comes close to what you want.

Are there other NLEs you have that are able to resample >100% preview in realtime?

ALO wrote on 10/3/2021, 12:28 PM

Are there other NLEs you have that are able to resample >100% preview in realtime?

Resolve seems to do this pretty effortlessly. I don't know if it is resampling or just zooming.

I'm not that interested in a moving preview myself -- just the ability to zoom into still frames.