2.35:1 aspect ratio crops sides

Deividas-Laukionis wrote on 7/3/2019, 6:13 AM

Hello, everyone! So I wanted to experiment with different aspect ratios... I want to do it right way instead of adding black bars on top of video. But my experiments come to a halt and I seek your help.
I want to render out 1080p video with 2.35:1 aspect ratio but instead of making it wide screen with ''cropped'' top and bottom of a picture it adds black bars to the sides so I am a bit confused.
Is there extra setting I have to check or something?

I am rendering at 1920x817 (tried some other resolutions given on google search ar various tutorials but the outcome is the same.

I am using Vegas Pro 15.
 

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Former user wrote on 7/3/2019, 6:40 AM

@Deividas-Laukionis

As well as changing it via pan crop, i.e. unlock aspect ration, the black bars go away when you also change to 817 in project properties.

To recap .. in pan crop, with cursor at start of event, or track, unlock aspect ratio and change 1080 to 817. Then change to same in project properties. In this case the top and bottom black bars go away.

Update: In pan crop right click and select "match output aspect" as per 3POINT's post, below, I didn't know that, it's quicker than above underlined piece.

If you do a screen “save snapshot to file” top of preview window, you'll see there are no black bars.

Modify your render template accordingly, although I believe it will be rounded to 818 in the output file.

You can then move in "Y" direction only to select best framing.

While In Pan/crop mode you can save this as a preset 2.35:1 for further use.

If you need a different framing … lock aspect ratio, set x y to "move freely", then zoom the "canvas" in, make a smaller, (dotted rectangular box), select/drag the box to any position.

If you do a snapshot, it'll still have the same 1920 x 818 dimensions.

Dexcon wrote on 7/3/2019, 7:25 AM

Some years ago, a link was provided on this forum for a free package of aspect ratio templates:

https://vashivisuals.com/tag/4k-aspect-ratio/

Many of my projects are finished in 2.35, and I am currently placing one of the VashiVisual 2.35 templates on the very top video track on the VP timeline. This way, I don't have to alter render settings and, during editing, individual video events can easily be framed via pan/crop as highlighted by JN_. An added advantage is that if I don't want the aspect ratio applied so as to, say, render a specific event with an FX for a particular reason, then its only a matter of muting the aspect ratio video track.

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Deividas-Laukionis wrote on 7/3/2019, 10:20 AM

Hmm I will try methods mentioned above and see if that works out for me :P
The strange thing is that all tutorials and stuff show simple 1080p footage just rendering at different size and it automatically changes and when I try to render with same resolution as in video instead of top and bottom black bars I get black bars on the sides like 4:3 aspect...

Okay.. time to try suggested methods in a few hours ;))

Musicvid wrote on 7/4/2019, 9:50 AM

You will not render 2.35:1 into 1920x1080 full frame without either cropping, stretching, or letterboxing (black bars). Reason: The rectangles are different shapes.

Deividas-Laukionis wrote on 7/4/2019, 10:59 AM

Hmm I am not talking about no letterboxing at all.. but when it is shown on tutorials when people render 1920x817 (or something like that) they get black bars on top and bottom of the picture.
When I do the same I get either letterboxing on the sides or around whole picture.

P.S I did not test given solutions above ;)) Once I get around them I will comment here if I had any success.

Musicvid wrote on 7/4/2019, 12:13 PM

@Deividas-Laukionis

I'm guessing you are starting with BluRay footage that is shot 2.35:1 inside a compliant 16:9 frame?

And when you put it in a 1920x1080 project it looks like this?

And when you change the Project to 1920x817 it looks like this?

Your next step is to open Track Motion and Click the Maintain Aspect Button

Then change the Height Dimension to 1080. The Width dimension will change too, but don't touch it.

Is this what you are after? Simple but elusive if this is your first try.

There are other methods, TIMTOWTDI.

This is also all handled automatically in Handbrake, if you are making no further edits.

Post back if I have missed your goal, but people try this quite a lot.

 

3POINT wrote on 7/4/2019, 2:22 PM

When setting up a 2.35:1 (21:9) project by changing project resolutions to 1920x817 and than importing 1920x1080 (16:9) footage, you get the effect you showed. To avoid this you must change the aspect ratio of a 16:9 clip on the timeline, by opening the pan/crop tool, right-click and choose "match output aspect". This setting you than can copy/paste to all other clips on the timeline. To get also a render without bars, you also need to change your favourite rendertemplate to 1920x817.

Deividas-Laukionis wrote on 7/5/2019, 10:05 AM

When setting up a 2.35:1 (21:9) project by changing project resolutions to 1920x817 and than importing 1920x1080 (16:9) footage, you get the effect you showed. To avoid this you must change the aspect ratio of a 16:9 clip on the timeline, by opening the pan/crop tool, right-click and choose "match output aspect". This setting you than can copy/paste to all other clips on the timeline. To get also a render without bars, you also need to change your favourite rendertemplate to 1920x817.

You were on point thank you! This worked. Others were helpfull too! Thank you all very much and good luck with your works! And let us hope that this post will help someone else in a future who will encounter similar problem ;))

Deividas-Laukionis wrote on 7/5/2019, 10:07 AM

@Deividas-Laukionis

I'm guessing you are starting with BluRay footage that is shot 2.35:1 inside a compliant 16:9 frame?

And when you put it in a 1920x1080 project it looks like this?

And when you change the Project to 1920x817 it looks like this?

Your next step is to open Track Motion and Click the Maintain Aspect Button

Then change the Height Dimension to 1080. The Width dimension will change too, but don't touch it.

Is this what you are after? Simple but elusive if this is your first try.

There are other methods, TIMTOWTDI.

This is also all handled automatically in Handbrake, if you are making no further edits.

Post back if I have missed your goal, but people try this quite a lot.

 

Your post was very informative thank you for that too ;)) as stated below ''3POINT'' method worked!
 

Musicvid wrote on 7/5/2019, 12:41 PM

 as stated below ''3POINT'' method worked!

I agree, @3POINT solution is easier to implement.

TIMTOWTDI

https://perl.fandom.com/wiki/TIMTOWTDI

3POINT wrote on 7/5/2019, 1:51 PM

Personally, I prefer following method despite it creates black bars, because it's much easier to use. Attaching following crop FX preset as video output FX. No need to change project settings or readjust a render template.

Musicvid wrote on 7/6/2019, 12:10 AM

Never minded black bars myself. We don't seem to be in the majority.

3POINT wrote on 7/6/2019, 1:40 AM

Advantage of NO black bars, renders a little faster and saves bitrates.

Musicvid wrote on 7/6/2019, 4:00 PM

Yes, people don't understand that black uses pixels. The default in Handbrake is to autocrop everything, leaving unconventional file dimensions, like 1920x818 (modulus 2).