2k/4k/6k videos

valte799 wrote on 6/11/2019, 6:16 AM

hi, today i wanted to start a new project but as soon as i started guess what, a new bug/problem with vegas, strange this never happen right ? anyway my problem now is that vegas does not allow me to import 2k and 6k clips into the project. the clips are recorded from a videogame so they are recorded in 600fps, also i don't know if vegas can read such a file, so i'm asking to you. my build of vegas 16 is the 361.  this is an example of the clips i have. if you can't open the file tell me and i will upload it on mediafire and then link it to you.

Comments

klt wrote on 6/11/2019, 6:47 AM

600 fps, and 6K? Why?

valte799 wrote on 6/11/2019, 7:10 AM

600 fps, and 6K? Why?

i don't know i do not record them. i guess because if you edit those clips with a program that can support them you really have no limits to what you can do. the fps are that high to make you be able to slow down the clip and mantain the "smoothness" of the video, the 6k because why not ? if thats the higher resolution that you can have from that game why not use it ? the fact that vegas can't support them is a secondary thing, an editor should always aim at the best quality he can get for his videos.

Dot wrote on 6/11/2019, 12:28 PM

Do video games update at 600 fps?

Musicvid wrote on 6/11/2019, 8:35 PM

With respect, the person capturing your clips is an amateur.

Anything beyond monitor resolution, bit depth or refresh rate is probably more than needed. Makes the file bigger, but not better.

wwaag wrote on 6/11/2019, 10:05 PM

OTOH 600fps would make great slo-mo.

Musicvid wrote on 6/11/2019, 10:26 PM

Methinks there are many duped frames, like 5:1

fifonik wrote on 6/11/2019, 10:26 PM

Sure? I expect just too many duplicates in the video.

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Dot wrote on 6/11/2019, 11:25 PM

It would make great slomo if the original material was actually at 600fps. If this is screen capture, then as Musicvid says, anything faster than screen refresh is a waste of time.

Grazie wrote on 6/12/2019, 12:09 AM

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valte799 wrote on 6/12/2019, 3:03 AM

this is a link of some edits where this type of clips were used. as you can see the clips are meant to be overedited, giving you the possibility to be as much creative as you want.

 

anyway guys i don't know exactly what is the best way to record clips etc etc. but for now i would be happy if someone know how to make this type of clips work in sony vegas. I believe there must be some external codec or some program to compress the file without loosing quality to download

Musicvid wrote on 6/12/2019, 6:12 AM

Please post MediaInfo properties, directions here.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

Vegas does not import anything larger than 4k (4096 x 4096).

As far as frame rate, I'm not sure, but 600fps is beyond reason, as stated. May try converting in Handbrake, but I don't know ffmpeg's limits.

valte799 wrote on 6/12/2019, 6:30 AM

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Michele\Desktop\MICHELE\OCC CLIPS BY cuubezzz\raid 2k dsr\raid 2k.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 258 MiB
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 355 Mb/s
Writing library                          : VirtualDub build 35491/release

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L6.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Bit rate                                 : 354 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 600.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.285
Stream size                              : 258 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 152 r2851bm ba24899
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=1 / slices=8 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
 

 

VEGAS FILE PROPERTIES

General
  Name: raid 2k.avi
  Folder: C:\Users\Michele\Desktop\MICHELE\OCC CLIPS BY cuubezzz\raid 2k dsr
  Type: File AVI
  Size: 264,29 MB (270.630.734 bytes)
  Created: venerdì 7 giugno 2019, 18:48:50
  Modified: domenica 10 marzo 2019, 17:42:51
  Accessed: venerdì 7 giugno 2019, 18:48:50
  Attributes: Archive

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

 

this is the error and this window pop up only if i select "file">"import">clip, otherwise if i use the explorer tab, and i "click" on the videoclip i want in the timeline nothing happen

wwaag wrote on 6/12/2019, 9:42 AM

The problem is that you are trying to import h264 format video inside an avi container which Vegas rejects. You will have to either rewrap your video into an mp4 or mov container or transcode it. If you are handy with FFmpeg, you can easily do this. If not, you could consider trying HappyOtterScripts which has an ImportAssist tool designed for doing these conversions. There is also a tool, FrameFixer that will enable you to easily determine how many duplicate frames you have. HOS is currently in beta through 1 Aug. Here is the link https://tools4vegas.com/.

Musicvid wrote on 6/12/2019, 9:57 AM

The person creating those clips, if they even are 6k, has a big imagination. Ridiculous is a better word.

The defining question for you, my friend, as for all hype-fueled hobbyists, is simple: "Do you currently own a 6k HDR monitor with a 600 hZ refresh rate?

As a producing editor for over two decades, this stuff makes my blood boil. Watch for a detailed analysis of this absurdity coming below..

Musicvid wrote on 6/12/2019, 12:18 PM

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Michele\Desktop\MICHELE\OCC CLIPS BY cuubezzz\raid 2k dsr\raid 2k.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 258 MiB
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 355 Mb/s
Writing library                          : VirtualDub build 35491/release

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L6.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Bit rate                                 : 354 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 600.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.285
Stream size                              : 258 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 152 r2851bm ba24899
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=1 / slices=8 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
 

Here are the most glaring errors in the MediaInfo you posted:

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

-- The video is vanilla HD 1080, not 2k, not 4k, not 6k

Overall bit rate                         : 355 Mb/s

-- The highest bitrate for AVC 1080p is 240Mbps. Anything over 30Mbps is usually considered overkill.

Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

Format                                   : AVI

-- A nonstandard format, AVI does not support b-frames, meaning AVC is only about as efficient as mpeg-2, meaning the file size sucks compared to AVC/mp4.

Format profile                           : High@L6.1

-- The maximum Level for AVC 1080p is 5.2. The minimum dimensions for L6.1 are 3840 x 2160.

Frame rate                               : 600.000 FPS

-- The maximum frame rate for AVC 1080p is 172. The usual is 30 or 60 NTSC, 25 or 50 PAL.

So, until your provider gains the experience needed to match both your imaginations, I suggest you go elsewhere for your clips. Vegas supports up to 4k at PUBLISHED STANDARDS. Heavily fantasized formats, as yours, are a crapshoot. I'm not even going to try, but you would download the x264vfw codec from Sourceforge if you wish to try opening it.

Welcome to the forums, and you might begin your Vegas learning curve here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/

3POINT wrote on 6/12/2019, 1:26 PM

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wjauch wrote on 6/12/2019, 10:03 PM

Please post MediaInfo properties, directions here.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

Vegas does not import anything larger than 4k (4096 x 4096).

As far as frame rate, I'm not sure, but 600fps is beyond reason, as stated. May try converting in Handbrake, but I don't know ffmpeg's limits.

I have imported 5k footage from a Red Scarlet Dragon in Vegas 15. Timeline is 4k

 

valte799 wrote on 6/13/2019, 6:58 AM

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Michele\Desktop\MICHELE\OCC CLIPS BY cuubezzz\raid 2k dsr\raid 2k.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 258 MiB
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 355 Mb/s
Writing library                          : VirtualDub build 35491/release

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L6.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : H264
Duration                                 : 6 s 107 ms
Bit rate                                 : 354 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 600.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.285
Stream size                              : 258 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 152 r2851bm ba24899
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:-1:-1 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.15 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-3 / threads=8 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=1 / slices=8 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc=crf / mbtree=0 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
 

Here are the most glaring errors in the MediaInfo you posted:

Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels

-- The video is vanilla HD 1080, not 2k, not 4k, not 6k

Overall bit rate                         : 355 Mb/s

-- The highest bitrate for AVC 1080p is 240Mbps. Anything over 30Mbps is usually considered overkill.

Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec

Format                                   : AVI

-- A nonstandard format, AVI does not support b-frames, meaning AVC is only about as efficient as mpeg-2, meaning the file size sucks compared to AVC/mp4.

Format profile                           : High@L6.1

-- The maximum Level for AVC 1080p is 5.2. The minimum dimensions for L6.1 are 3840 x 2160.

Frame rate                               : 600.000 FPS

-- The maximum frame rate for AVC 1080p is 172. The usual is 30 or 60 NTSC, 25 or 50 PAL.

So, until your provider gains the experience needed to match both your imaginations, I suggest you go elsewhere for your clips. Vegas supports up to 4k at PUBLISHED STANDARDS. Heavily fantasized formats, as yours, are a crapshoot. I'm not even going to try, but you would download the x264vfw codec from Sourceforge if you wish to try opening it.

Welcome to the forums, and you might begin your Vegas learning curve here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/speaking-good-video-a-beginner-s-guide--104463/

thank you for your help