By the way - those color space options offered by Video Pro X for UHD rendering don't make sense. BT.601 and SMPTE-240M are for SD video and BT.470 is for analogue video. Also in most cases the current Y'CbCr video color spaces do not yet define the color range but still leaves options for limited or full range levels.

Afaik, these Vegas Pro render color spaces only can be used for ACES processing, not in 8 bit projects. But it's so simple to get your levels right. Watch your waveform monitor, know your goal, adopt an output level FX (or use the SeMW Preview Levels render option).

In nineteen years, I have never had a reason to change the colorspace, in or out, in Vegas. It is not a discretionary user control.

From youtube, 90％ Vegas users encountered the stubborn problem that preview too gray or render too dark. So it is urgent to add Colorspace options for project setting, AVC, HEVC, etc.

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

That YouTube issue has zero to do with color spaces but is a matter of color ranges as mentioned before. It's the difference between limited range and full range and all you need is a proper use of the Levels FX. You could also use an FFmpeg color range patch instead. No need to touch the color space.

And once again, the color range render options of Video Pro X you showed above are not professional at all but lack any sense. Not a good example.

a proper use of the Levels FX

@Marco. You need to understand Levels FX can't resolve the problem. Levels FX will broke still image's level. And Levels FX is a ridiculous manual remedial measure.

zero to do with color spaces but is a matter of color ranges as mentioned before

You need to understand BT.709 Colorspace is 0-235, sRGB Colorspace is 0-255.

Both BT.709 and sRGB Colorspace are included in Magix Video Pro X's 8bit Project setting. Please face the reality, don't cheat yourself any more. Don't impede Vegas Pro to improve.

@rock-c

Do you have any idea who you're talking to? Apologize publicly and move on.

Try using the broadcast colours tab under the color grading panel or by adding the plugin chain as a layer effect to resolve this issue with dark rendering, also be certain of your target audience and what device type will be most used for viewing. Make sure IRE function is selected. As a general starting point i find Lenient 7.5 IRE as a good starting point. Also make sure your main control and external monitors are set to the same colour space to avoid conflicting visual info prior to rendering.

+10! @john_dennis

Thank you! You definitely said it much more eloquently than I would have.

From youtube, 90％ Vegas users encountered the stubborn problem that preview too gray or render too dark. So it is urgent to add Colorspace options for project setting, AVC, HEVC, etc.

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

Well, 100% of that 90% should do their homework first.

 

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

Well, 100% of that 90% should do their homework first.

I disagree. I think non technical people should be protected due to ignorance, and the big commercial editors do that. In 2016 when the only displays I had was 1 cheap computer monitor and 1 cheap android phone I had a moderately successful non commercial YT channel. 1.5 million views, and every video I uploaded was in full color space. And I knew they looked too contrasty when looking at the youtube videos, but for some reason they looked better on my cheap phone, so I had decided through failed logic somehow my monitor viewing YT was to blame and actually everyone else was seeing it properly. I trusted my scopes, I knew exposure was fine within vegas, but because I did not understand the intricacies of color space I ruined a year's worth of videos

I can't even look at those videos today, If I was using Premiere Pro, or Video Pro X or most NLE's I wouldn't have messed up like that. Also some of the most gifted artistic people are the least technical, different brain types, by saying you must be engineer technical to use vegas limits creativity

 

That YouTube issue has zero to do with color spaces but is a matter of color ranges as mentioned before. It's the difference between limited range and full range and all you need is a proper use of the Levels FX. You could also use an FFmpeg color range patch instead. No need to touch the color space.

And once again, the color range render options of Video Pro X you showed above are not professional at all but lack any sense. Not a good example.

I erased my comment because it has already been said better by Marco. See emphasis added above.

@rock-c

Do you have any idea who you're talking to? Apologize publicly and move on.

There seems to be quite a lot of that lately. It's like telling Ferrari to change out the engine before learning to drive.

 

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

Well, 100% of that 90% should do their homework first.

I disagree. I think non technical people should be protected due to ignorance, and the big commercial editors do that. In 2016 when the only displays I had was 1 cheap computer monitor and 1 cheap android phone I had a moderately successful non commercial YT channel. 1.5 million views, and every video I uploaded was in full color space. And I knew they looked too contrasty when looking at the youtube videos, but for some reason they looked better on my cheap phone, so I had decided through failed logic somehow my monitor viewing YT was to blame and actually everyone else was seeing it properly. I trusted my scopes, I knew exposure was fine within vegas, but because I did not understand the intricacies of color space I ruined a year's worth of videos

I can't even look at those videos today, If I was using Premiere Pro, or Video Pro X or most NLE's I wouldn't have messed up like that. Also some of the most gifted artistic people are the least technical, different brain types, by saying you must be engineer technical to use vegas limits creativity

 

Well, I too disagree; I think that non technical people should be punished instead of being protected for the same reason. Which, actually, they are by their own displeasance while looking at their work.

Call it instant karma if you will... :)

I too can't stand it when a NLE tries to hold my hand too much, FCP is really bad about that, being too preset-based and not giving enough customization for people that actually know what they are doing.

VEGAS has 2 different ways to fix the issue you mention in a matter of clicks...

Method 1: Apply levels FX onto the master output FX, select studio levels. Select Computer RGB to Studio RGB.

Method 2: Use the SeMW Plugin

Method 3: Press the "Broadcast Colors" button on the color grading panel.

Who knows what other options may come in the future to make this process even easier, but for now we have plenty of very quick and easy methods to solve this issue.

Problem with Broadcast Colors is they are analog voltage based, and chroma is allowed to slop outside the defined digital delivery range. Some major broadcasters (e.g., PBS) are very picky about this.

From youtube, 90％ Vegas users encountered the stubborn problem that preview too gray or render too dark. So it is urgent to add Colorspace options for project setting, AVC, HEVC, etc.

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

Well, 100% of that 90% should do their homework first.

@adis-a3097 They would rather spent time on video creation design. Rather than spent time in curing a ridiculous bug only in Vegas Pro, not in other Video software. They have paid for Vegas Pro, should not suffer such a ridiculous stupid bug. Their money is also earned by their hardworking, it shouldn't suffer a tease.

It isn't a bug, it's a feature for those who know how to use it properly. For those that don't, use the workaround I suggested until the team can come up with a more elegant solution.

Problem with Broadcast Colors is they are analog voltage based, and chroma is allowed to slop outside the defined digital delivery range. Some major broadcasters (e.g., PBS) are very picky about this.

Interesting. Is there a preferred way to address this in Vegas if Broadcast Colors doesn't work well for digital broadcast?

@rock-c As frosty said, this isn't a bug, but I agree with you that users should have an automatic option where the software reads the metadata for video files and still images. Editing is complex enough for new editors. Vegas could know what is video vs full range. However, since we don't have that, you have to do it by hand.

(To your previous comment- if your video is video range and still images are on their own track, use a levels preset (computer to video levels) to get the photos into video range so they will look correct when you use SEMW to preview the proper levels. In this scenario you don't have to do anything upon render as it's all video levels.)

From youtube, 90％ Vegas users encountered the stubborn problem that preview too gray or render too dark. So it is urgent to add Colorspace options for project setting, AVC, HEVC, etc.

Other professional NLEs solve it well like Magix Video Pro X's colorspace options. Vegas should add these options to resolve 90％ Vegas users' stubborn problem.

Well, 100% of that 90% should do their homework first.

@adis-a3097 They would rather spent time on video creation design. Rather than spent time in curing a ridiculous bug only in Vegas Pro, not in other Video software. They have paid for Vegas Pro, should not suffer such a ridiculous stupid bug. Their money is also earned by their hardworking, it shouldn't suffer a tease.

You don't say? 😂

How come everybody wants to be a great writer but nobody wants to spend time learning letters first? Eh?

Here's a personal question: Who did your homework? Was it mommy? Aunt Mary? The invisible man? Who did it, rocky? 😜

Nothing in the world is perfect. And that includes Vegas Pro. There are workarounds and alternative methods of addressing so many problems and procedures in so many products on the world stage. The suggestions offered earlier by @fr0sty are valid and reasonable suggestions. They really are not hard to do - they are easy-peasy - and these are what I have done for years, and I do not find myself getting in to a lather over them. Why do some on the forum bog themselves down in trifling negatives? Yes, there might be a slightly better way of doing something from an individual's point-of-view, but for heavens sake please keep it in perspective. The OP seems to have enough time on his/her hands to trawl the internet in order to find all and any VP negatives rather than concentrate on his/her NLE work and then complain about the time it takes to do a simple workaround in VP.

@rock-c

This was written years ago, and just for you, it would seem. I tried to keep it interesting enough for you to keep your eyes open. When that happens, so does learning. Even to the reluctant. There will be a quiz.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

@Musicvid ... OMG ... I remember that post. Cheers.

And here's a little zipped project that solves all of Mr. Rock's issues on the fly, visually. It works in both Pro and Movie Studio.

Credits: It was written in concert with ideas from both @Marco. and @john_dennis. Imagine two Engineers and a Teacher agreeing on something!

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/new-free-video-levels-tool-for-ms-platinum--120709/