After Rendering, video freezes after 13 seconds but audio plays fine

Musicvid wrote on 2/15/2019, 2:09 PM

You cannot convert SD to HD. Your wish to upscale to 1920x1080 will be better handled by your hardware player, media server, or teevee. Cropping top and bottom to fit widescreen may also be too tight for some material.

That said, your AVI may be corrupt. Try the trial version of VideoRedo to fix bad frames, resync, and convert to mp4, in your chosen screen format. Other than that, I wish you luck.

scottsvf wrote on 2/15/2019, 2:53 PM

You cannot convert SD to HD. Your wish to upscale to 1920x1080 will be better handled by your hardware player, media server, or teevee. Cropping top and bottom to fit widescreen may also be too tight for some material.

That said, your AVI may be corrupt. Try the trial version of VideoRedo to fix bad frames, resync, and convert to mp4, in your chosen screen format. Other than that, I wish you luck.

Then why can Adobe Premiere pro and handbrake do it and not vegas?

And the .avi is not corrupt because the uncompressed .avi that I created from vegas plays fine (1 tb file). I have to put the uncompressed .avi file into another software program (Adobe Premiere pro or Handbrake) to render it into a .mkv or .mp4 hd file.

So basically I can use vegas for editing then have to output in uncompressed .avi as to render it in another video editing program.

john_dennis wrote on 2/15/2019, 3:33 PM

I have a few questions.

"I have a video I captured from vhs as 720x480 as avi dv video back before hd tv's..."

Why do you feel the need to save your video at greater than its native pixel dimensions? Do you want to deliver it on Blu-ray? Play locally on a hardware player? Stream over a local DLNA network? Upload to a streaming service, youtube, Vimeo, etc.?

"I cropped it for 16:9 Widescreen TV aspect ratio..."

Why? People watched 4:3 screens for decades. Why not just render the video as 4:3 in a 16:9 aspect ratio with black borders? You parents won't complain. Your kids are used to watching cell phone video in portrait mode so they won't care. Why are you putting yourself through this nonsense? TVs have hardware upscalers that upscale SD material all day and night.

" AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround"

Is there any program material in all six of those channels?

Full Disclosure

I will give you a 100% money back guarantee that I can render SD material to 1920x1080 in Vegas Pro. I'm just wondering why I should spend time helping someone do it.

Musicvid wrote on 2/15/2019, 4:32 PM

Then why can Adobe Premiere pro and handbrake do it and not vegas?

Vegas can easily upscale to 1920x1080. That's not the point. It will look worse, not better, because it's not High Definition, nor shall it ever be. As I said, upscaling for local plaayback is best left to hardware algorithms..

Are you making this up? Handbrake GUI will not upscale, and never has, for exactly the reason stated above.. I am fairly certain you are not writing CLI command lines, yet.

j-v wrote on 2/15/2019, 4:46 PM

I don't get what you exactly did, but I will show you how this goes with me.
I rendered some old Avi files from the year 2000 to a lossless avi 25p 720 x 540 pixels with Vegas Pro 16.
After that I put that lossless avi named "test" on the timeline of a new VPro 16 project ( although it should have been easier all to in one without the lossless avi).
That project I render to full HD Magix AVC without a problem and very fast and I show you here the result in a 2 minutes Videograb with OBS

Musicvid wrote on 2/15/2019, 5:59 PM

" AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround"

But john, if I put it all in a 1920x1080 5.1 Surround project, it will fill in all those missing channels, right?

Musicvid wrote on 2/15/2019, 6:13 PM

j-v

your video properties say 720x540, same as your project. Are you saying the source was already upscaled? from what? how?

At the best story anyone could come up with right now, it's an example of hardware upscaling with no comparison image to back it up.

And do you know how to fill in those missing audio channels as well?

scottsvf wrote on 2/15/2019, 6:35 PM

I don't get what you exactly did, but I will show you how this goes with me.
I rendered some old Avi files from the year 2000 to a lossless avi 25p 720 x 540 pixels with Vegas Pro 16.
After that I put that lossless avi named "test" on the timeline of a new VPro 16 project ( although it should have been easier all to in one without the lossless avi).
That project I render to full HD Magix AVC without a problem and very fast and I show you here the result in a 2 minutes Videograb with OBS

I took the video (720x480 4x3) raw avi and rendered it 1920x1080 cropped for 16x9. Then I Tried to render it in vegas as AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround but it only played the first 13 sec fine before the video would lock on a frame and audio would still play. While rendering the video showed playing in the event window fine.

Then I put the 1920x1080 video into handbrake and premiere instead of vegas and the finished files played fine.

handbrake settings were (h.265 MKV 1080p30) and adobe were (Format: HEVC (H.265, Preset: HD 1080p, Audio: 5.1)

j-v wrote on 2/15/2019, 6:36 PM

j-v

your video properties say 720x540, same as your project. Are you saying the source was already upscaled? from what? how?

The test 1 source through Vpro 16of a file on my desktop of 2000 in PAL DV Avi with 720x576 i

At the best story anyone could come up with right now, it's an example of hardware upscaling with no comparison image to back it up.

And do you know how to fill in those missing audio channels as well?

I was only showing (and naming between"()")what is possible with the program with the type of files he was mentioning. Not with his non-sense workaround and wanted output options that would gave nothing extra but troubles, except making a lossless avi of an old SD Avi file of a cam.

j-v wrote on 2/15/2019, 6:43 PM

I took the video (720x480 4x3) raw avi and rendered it 1920x1080 cropped for 16x9. Then I Tried to render it in vegas as AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround

Why not rendered that file inmediatly to what you wanted "as AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround "?????? Vegas has no problem with that task.

scottsvf wrote on 2/15/2019, 6:49 PM

I have a few questions.

"I have a video I captured from vhs as 720x480 as avi dv video back before hd tv's..."

Why do you feel the need to save your video at greater than its native pixel dimensions? Do you want to deliver it on Blu-ray? Play locally on a hardware player? Stream over a local DLNA network? Upload to a streaming service, youtube, Vimeo, etc.?

"I cropped it for 16:9 Widescreen TV aspect ratio..."

Why? People watched 4:3 screens for decades. Why not just render the video as 4:3 in a 16:9 aspect ratio with black borders? You parents won't complain. Your kids are used to watching cell phone video in portrait mode so they won't care. Why are you putting yourself through this nonsense? TVs have hardware upscalers that upscale SD material all day and night.

" AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround"

Is there any program material in all six of those channels?

Full Disclosure

I will give you a 100% money back guarantee that I can render SD material to 1920x1080 in Vegas Pro. I'm just wondering why I should spend time helping someone do it.

I don't like black bars when watching tv. Also I have a 80" 1080p tv and I render it 1080p because it looks more like the lossless quality then rendering it at a lower resolution. It's a pool video from the 80's (Mike Sigel vs Earl Strickland) I captured from vhs using Canopus ADVC300 Advanced Digital Video Converter (https://www.amazon.com/Canopus-ADVC300-Advanced-Digital-Converter/dp/B0006UMGHE/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8)

I stream all my videos over a Dune HD player off my computer in my wired home network in original quality.

The reason for 5.1 is it sounds better since I have a surround sound setup with svs Ultra suround series speakers. The sound sounds like your there compared to it coming just from the left/right speakers.

Musicvid wrote on 2/15/2019, 9:38 PM

Sounds like you and j-v are in the same page so your alternate physics are not something I am willing to explore. However if you are willing to share actual before / after examples ( not YouTube) I'll take a look at them.

scottsvf wrote on 2/16/2019, 12:03 AM

I took the video (720x480 4x3) raw avi and rendered it 1920x1080 cropped for 16x9. Then I Tried to render it in vegas as AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround

Why not rendered that file inmediatly to what you wanted "as AVCHD 1920x1080-30 fps 5.1 Surround "?????? Vegas has no problem with that task.

Because it did the same thing. I tried that first, then when looking online someone said rendering it uncompressed and then putting it back in vegas worked for them. But that didn't work for me. so I tried putting the same footage into a different software (premiere and handbrake) and it worked. If other software don't have a problem, why does Vegas?

scottsvf wrote on 2/16/2019, 12:07 AM

Another reason besides not having black bars is I have a much smaller file as .mkv vs .mpg. I have over a hundred pool matches that I want to fit on 1 hard drive

scottsvf wrote on 2/16/2019, 1:57 AM

Sounds like you and j-v are in the same page so your alternate physics are not something I am willing to explore. However if you are willing to share actual before / after examples ( not YouTube) I'll take a look at them.

Here's a link to a sample to both sd & hd videos

SD video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1waVWjIaZkX0InGGheP9DZX2aMeEOX2Er/view?usp=sharing

HD Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YDCZwtshgGQyR8xBTYH1aQVrNK5GBTFR/view?usp=sharing

j-v wrote on 2/16/2019, 5:11 AM

Another reason besides not having black bars is I have a much smaller file as .mkv vs .mpg. I have over a hundred pool matches that I want to fit on 1 hard drive

From a lot of analoge video of 1977 -1998 I made FHD video's in Mainconcept and later on Sony AVC to render in 50 or 25p for playing om my TV's till Magix took over Vegas Creative Video.
All my DV Avi SD stuff of 1998-2004 I have also worked over with the Magix AVC or HEVC codecs for using at my own TV from signature in 50p HEVC and for other TV's with Magix AVC 25p.
They all play fine ther from a small connected HDD trough USB.
My workflow to store the DV SD was use a FHD backgrond of a still a made also from that journey or event on the lowest track. On the tracks above I made the kind of projects as I showed you before as a 4:3 PIP (on the left and right side it gets in total small borders filled with the blurried still) and rendered that total to the Magix FHD HEVC 50p NVENC for my TV and to Magix FHD 25p AVC for the other TV's I like to play my video's on.
All small files with very fast rendering and nowhere black borders.😄
And that is my last comment on this.
If you have further questions to me make them through PM or with another post.

ryclark wrote on 2/16/2019, 10:42 AM

Well as far as I can calculate the upscaled 1920x1080 files will be six times larger than the original 720x480 ones for a start. So larger file size than necessary after encoding due to the upscaling. Doesn't make sense to me. 😲 Neither does creating four extra empty surround sound channels from what was presumably a mono only video in the first place. Just more useless bits added to your resulting file size. Going back to basics would allow you to archive your original A/V files at better basic quality for the same final file size.

scottsvf wrote on 2/16/2019, 12:29 PM

Well as far as I can calculate the upscaled 1920x1080 files will be six times larger than the original 720x480 ones for a start. So larger file size than necessary after encoding due to the upscaling. Doesn't make sense to me. 😲 Neither does creating four extra empty surround sound channels from what was presumably a mono only video in the first place. Just more useless bits added to your resulting file size. Going back to basics would allow you to archive your original A/V files at better basic quality for the same final file size.

This is not true. Download my samples and see the size. the sd .mpg video is 3:00:24 length and 284mb while the HD .mkv file is 3:36:00 (little longer) and only 151mb in size

I encode all my blu-ray movies to .mkv H.265 which reduce them from 20gb-50gb down to 4gb and I don't see a difference in quality on my 80" tv. I can fit over 2,000 movies on my 10tb hard drive and stream to my tv using dune hd or Plex

Marco. wrote on 2/16/2019, 1:16 PM

"Well as far as I can calculate the upscaled 1920x1080 files will be six times larger than the original 720x480 ones for a start."

This would only be true for uncompressed RGB files, not for GOP and vector based compression types like AVC. For AVC type encoding an upscaled frame primarily means using different vector values with only limited dependency on the pixel count.

scottsvf wrote on 2/17/2019, 11:41 AM

"Well as far as I can calculate the upscaled 1920x1080 files will be six times larger than the original 720x480 ones for a start."

This would only be true for uncompressed RGB files, not for GOP and vector based compression types like AVC. For AVC type encoding an upscaled frame primarily means using different vector values with only limited dependency on the pixel count.

As I said in my last post. It's smaller! The reason it's smaller is the compression is better then the one used in .mpg.

Why is everyone giving excuses about why vegas doesn't do what it's supposed to do. The program is just broken, and my solution is to use a different program to render my videos. If Sonic Foundry still owned it, I probably wouldn't have a problem. I used to render in any format without a problem.

ryclark wrote on 2/18/2019, 6:56 AM

"Well as far as I can calculate the upscaled 1920x1080 files will be six times larger than the original 720x480 ones for a start."

This would only be true for uncompressed RGB files, not for GOP and vector based compression types like AVC. For AVC type encoding an upscaled frame primarily means using different vector values with only limited dependency on the pixel count.

Yes. My bad. Unfortunately the point I was trying to make didn't translate properly from my brain into text. 😞

What I was trying to say was that it didn't make sense to me to increase the amount of data by upscaling and then have to reduce the file size by using a lossy encoder with heavy compression. IMHO it would be much better to just encode the original video retaining the pixel format and use less compression on the data to get the wanted file size. 😳

scottsvf wrote on 2/18/2019, 10:27 PM

The problem is I should be able to do what I want with my videos with this software since all other video editing software can do it. I just tried another program Corel videostudio ultimate 2019 and it was able to render it without a problem in the output file. This program cost a fraction of what vegas cost and it's able to do it.

It's like buying a rolls royce and the car shakes when you go over 70 mph and when you post this on the forums, instead of figuring out why they say then don't drive that fast.