Audio playback problems?

marc-s wrote on 10/20/2019, 9:23 PM

I'm working on a 6 minute long project and having major audio issues which I've never experienced in Vegas. I'm kinda baffled because I even converted all of my video to proxies but as I play through the timeline in preview full mode audio on various video interviews will just not play sometimes or cut in/out. If I stop the timeline and start playing again it will play for a little while until having issues again.

The project is 1080p and the video footage is UHD.

My system: Vegas 17, Windows 10, Nvidia 2070 Super, i7 3.3 ghz with 64 GB ram and all of my drives are internal SSD including a separate 2 TB SSD video drive that include the project files. I played around with audio playback buffering which seems to help a bit (but not completely) at the expense of really bad delays while editing.

 

Any ideas? Thank you.

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 10/20/2019, 10:09 PM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 8:49 AM

From one of the clips opened with Media Info:

General
Complete name                            : Z:\2019 SUG Overview\Interviews\Becky_1_CC.mxf
Format                                   : MXF
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marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 8:51 AM

From Vegas file properties:

General
  Name: Becky_1_CC.mxf
  Folder: Z:\2019 SUG Overview\Interviews
  Type: Sony XAVC MXF
  Size: 745.41 MB (763,302,448 bytes)
  Created: Saturday, October 19, 2019, 2:14:02 PM
  Modified: Saturday, October 19, 2019, 2:14:54 PM
  Accessed: Saturday, October 19, 2019, 2:14:54 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:00:20.020, 29.970 fps progressive, 3840x2160x32, XAVC
  Audio: 00:00:20.020, 48,000 Hz, 24 Bit, Stereo, Linear PCM

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  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no
  UMID: 060a2b340101010501010d23-13-000000-040347b8f56c4bc3aa563d0e03151f19
  Source UMID: 060a2b340101010501010d23-13-000000-6ac94100177243e29eb0f1670d1e0836

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: mxfxavc.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\mxfxavc
  Format: Sony XAVC / XAVC S
  Version: Version 3.0 (Build 2019-02-04)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

rraud wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:41 AM

Are there any Audio and Video Plug-ins running? A few of my VST audio plug-ins cause occasional glitching in preview

You may want to run "Clean Project Media" (tools menu) and set the 'Dynamic RAM preview" to zero. "Options> Preferences> Video"

monoparadox wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:41 AM

Do you have the latest firmware for your audio device installed?

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:43 AM

No audio plugins in the project. I do have Izotope RX 6 installed on the system. I'll try your suggestion... thanks.

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:45 AM

I'm actually using a USB to XLR convertor that has always worked flawlessly and just uses the generic windows drivers. I'm wondering if something with the newer windows update has messed things up. Here is a link to my audio device. Maybe I need to switch back to a traditional sound card?

Rednroll wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:47 AM

You left out the most important system specs for audio related problems. What are you using for a sound card and which driver version and type of driver have you selected in Vegas (ie ASIO, WDM, MS, etc.)? The majority of audio related issues are sound card/driver related. Additionally, a poor performing video card driver have been known to cause these problems for audio, often the latest video card driver may not be the best. This is one of the reason Nvidia is making separate drivers for their video cards. If they have a studio version available for your Nvidia GPU, you may want to try that or vise versa. Audio requires a continuous stream filling the buffer in, and emptying the buffer out. If that continuous stream gets interrupted there will be pops, clicks and drop outs as well as lag.

If interested in more details of what I'm describing, this guy does a pretty good break down explanation. He gets into the common problem around the 22min point.

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 10:05 AM

I'm using the USB audio device I listed above your post which use generic windows drivers. I just switched to the onboard (Motherboard ASUS X99-A) RealTek audio and still having the issue. I'm using NVidia studio driver but it looks like there is a new update so I will try that.

As far as setting Vegas I've been using the default but have played with various options with no success. Thanks.

Rednroll wrote on 10/21/2019, 10:12 AM

I'll also add, a good tool I like to use to help track down problem devices with driver problems which may be contributing to your audio playback is user bench marks.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/

It will run a simple system performance test on CPU, GPU, RAM and hard drives and then compare your results to other users with the same components and let you know how they're actually performing and often give tips of adjustments to consider making. It doesn't do audio card/driver performance but if everything else is performing average or above, then you can use the process of elimination and start looking at your audio card and driver.

Once you perform the test, it will provide you a web page of your results. I'ld suggest running that and posting your results by posting the web page link it provides.

Rednroll wrote on 10/21/2019, 10:33 AM

I'm actually using a USB to XLR convertor that has always worked flawlessly and just uses the generic windows drivers. I'm wondering if something with the newer windows update has messed things up. Here is a link to my audio device. Maybe I need to switch back to a traditional sound card?


Well there is a reason most of us more audio centric folks use more pro level audio interfaces. It's not all about the sound quality, it's more about driver support which ensures it works well in our DAW environment. When you are using onboard sound cards and generic sound devices its often a crap shoot in regards to audio performance recording/playback in a multi-track audio environment especially since you are using 24bit audio.

Behringer has been making some solid performing yet affordable USB audio interfaces more recently although the gold standard tends to lean more towards RME Audio interfaces in regards to audio quality and driver performance but they can come with a pretty steep price tag. Many swear by the RME Babyface for a lower price RME audio device option. If you're doing NLE work, I would definitely look into purchasing a better more prosumer level audio interface device where their drivers are developed to work best for that environment. I just picked up a used Behringer UMC202HD on Ebay for $60, which sounds like it would be plenty ample for for your uses.

https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-UMC202HD-BEHRINGER-U-PHORIA-2-Channel/dp/B00QHURUBE/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=UMC202HD&qid=1571672823&sr=8-3

To give you an analogy you likely understand. Your system is kind of like me buying a high-end RME pro level audio interface for Vegas and then using the onboard Intel GPU and expecting smooth video editing playback. I understand it may have worked well at one time, but the driver support will not be there to make sure it continues to work as your system evolves with updates.

Definitely look at updating the video drivers, but I would also run the userbenchmarks to help steer you in the right direction of a potential problem device driver.

If you mean the "Microsoft Sound Mapper" driver as the generic Windows driver, then yeah that's typically the worst driver you can use for audio performance. Better to use the Wave Driver, WDM, or ASIO. Look up the ASIO4ALL driver. It's a shareware driver which was developed for these onboard generic audio devices and typically will give you much better performance.

Musicvid wrote on 10/21/2019, 10:48 AM

I'm using the USB audio device I listed above your post which use generic windows drivers

That may be part of the problem. If there are not dedicated drivers available for your device, try ASIO4ALL. Windows mapper is inefficient and lacks duplexing.

Your other option is to build a proxy.

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 11:48 AM

That's the strange thing is that I did build video proxies for everything on the timeline and I'm playing back the timeline at Preview (Full). The video quality looks low and plays back smoothly but the audio issue persists. Will try getting a new sound card and other suggestions above to see if that solves the issue. Thanks.

Rednroll wrote on 10/21/2019, 12:32 PM

That's the strange thing is that I did build video proxies for everything on the timeline and I'm playing back the timeline at Preview (Full). The video quality looks low and plays back smoothly but the audio issue persists. Will try getting a new sound card and other suggestions above to see if that solves the issue. Thanks.

Definitely try the ASIO4ALL driver to see if you get better results.

http://www.asio4all.org/

Good how to:

https://www.sweetwater.com/sweetcare/articles/installing-and-using-asio4all-for-windows/

Musicvid wrote on 10/21/2019, 1:34 PM

Oh, you're using a USB DI, which won't run ASIO. Pretty basic and WDM.

Switch to an actual USB or on-card audio preamp / interface. I use my Zoom recorder all the time with external sources and it works great.

marc-s wrote on 10/21/2019, 5:00 PM

Went to Guitar Center and picked up a Focusrite Scarlett Solo USB interface. Have tried it with drivers it came with and the ASIO4ALL but still having issues. Thinking something else must be up. Will keep testing solutions and report back.

john_dennis wrote on 10/21/2019, 9:41 PM

“I'm working on a 6 minute long project and having major audio issues which I've never experienced in Vegas.”

How long has this audio problem been happening?

Is the video from the camera(s) that you use regularly?

Have you installed any new hardware since the last time you ran without error? Especially hard drive controllers, video cards or devices with big-ass buffers.

Has your Microsoft Nanny installed any new drivers, video, chipset, usb root hub, etc since you last ran a project without errors?

Have you ever updated the bios for your motherboard? In case there are any bios/hardware/driver/Windows patch dependencies.

marc-s wrote on 10/22/2019, 12:31 AM

Hi John,

I'm more of a Resolve user these days but revert Vegas when I have a project with photos etc. that I want to pan zoom on as Vegas excels in this area. I did the color correction of the videos that seem to be causing issues in Resolve and exporting as XAVC 4:2:2 UHD. Also just upgraded from Vegas ver. 15 to ver. 17 for this project. Never had audio problems in Vegas before. I did switch out my AMD Radeon RX480 with an Nvidia 2070 super recently along with a fresh reinstall of Windows 10.

Rednroll wrote on 10/22/2019, 3:55 PM

Stuff like this where things work and then suddenly don't, can drive you insane. It's usually tied to some device's driver be it chipset, disk controller, Bios, GPU, video card, etc, etc as John_dennis describes. That's the reason I suggested to try running user bench marks, where those test results can often at least point you in the direction of something running amuck.

This is also a good reason I use Macrium Reflect to create multiple backup HDD images of my system before any major system changes such as hardware changes, OS or driver updates. We often spend hours setting up and configuring our systems, where we get to a point of comfort that it's working great. It's at that point when I feel I like how things are running, that I create a backup image so in the event something like marc-s is experiencing does occur, then I know I can easily get back to a time where I wasn't experiencing the problem and then go from there in performing updates in stages to more easily identify a change that may cause problems.

If you don't have a similar imaging backup system in place, I would highly recommend looking into it once you get this problem resolved, where Macrium Reflect works really well. I have my current system setup into a dual boot option. Option 1 boot is that it boots up into Windows 10 Pro x64 after 5 seconds of boot option select. Option 2 boot is that I can select to boot up directly into Macrium Reflect Window PE environment where I can then create HDD image backups or restore them an image backup from an external USB HDD. The dual boot option is just a function you can choose to turn on within Macrium Reflect. If you don't want/like the dual boot option, then you can install macrium on a USB stick and boot from that instead and perform the same tasks. I'm always misplacing my USB sticks and prefer the dual boot option.

Currently with my system, I'm having this problem that when I plug in a USB HDD my desk top background blanks out where I'm suspecting some type of video driver or hard drive controller problem. I've tried re-installing a few different drivers to try and fix the problem but so far I haven't solved the problem but it's a minor issue I've just been dealing with but realize something in my system setup just isn't right at this time. My next step is to restore to a previous HDD image backup using Macrium Reflect where I know that problem didn't exist. I'm thankful, that I put the effort in with those system image backups that I have that option.

john_dennis wrote on 10/22/2019, 4:43 PM

Long, long ago, in a land far, far away I used Boot Manager to boot OS/2 and Windows 3.1. Then, I had three Windows 95 systems on one boot drive. I've since gone straight and, now, I just keep track of my AOMEI USB standalone boot drive. Actually, I have them laying around all over the place. The oldest is a 1 GB Sandisk Cruzer that I bought when Circuit City liquidated.

marc-s wrote on 10/23/2019, 10:46 AM

I ran userbenchmark and everything seemed to test out ok.

UserBenchmarks: Game 103%, Desk 84%, Work 76%
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K - 81%
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070S (Super) - 119.8%
SSD: Samsung 850 Pro 256GB - 96.4%
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB - 94.4%
SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 1TB - 101.1%
SSD: SanDisk Ultra 3D 2TB - 95.7% (This is the drive my Vegas project is on)
HDD: WD Green 2TB (2009) - 43.8%
HDD: WD Black 5TB (2015) - 72.8%
USB: WD My Book 1230 3TB - 53.2%
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws 4 DDR4 2400 C15 8x8GB - 113.6%
MBD: Asus X99-A/USB 3.1
 

john_dennis wrote on 10/23/2019, 12:11 PM

"SSD: SanDisk Ultra 3D 2TB - 95.7% (This is the drive my Vegas project is on)"

1) Is this drive internal SATA or in a USB enclosure?

"USB: WD My Book 1230 3TB - 53.2%"

2) Is this drive powered on and active on the same USB root hub as your audio device?

With the project running, have you looked at the Response Time (ms) for I/O ranked by Read and Write?

Read

Write

Look for "unwanted" processes running while you're trying to do your work. I can't tell you what the right response time for I/O should be, but for SSDs it shouldn't be more than a few ms. With my NVMe disk, it's rarely over 1 ms.

Musicvid wrote on 10/23/2019, 12:13 PM

Can you upload like 30 sec of your problem media, so we can see how it previews on our systems? Use Drive or Dropbox.

marc-s wrote on 10/23/2019, 2:26 PM

1) Is this drive internal SATA or in a USB enclosure? ***SATA internal

2) Is this drive powered on and active on the same USB root hub as your audio device? ***It may be I'm not sure. I just turned off all external drives and still see the issue.