Cinematic format without adding bars

marcel-vossen wrote on 8/30/2018, 1:13 PM

Hi there,

I'm trying to make a cinematic video with 2,35:1 instead of 16:9 , and I saw that there are 2 methods, one using a PNG with bars in a 16:9 project and the preferred method of rendering in the correct format right away in order to use the full bitrate for video information.

However, when I make a 1920 x 810 project and I drop a normal 16:9 piece of footage inside the project, there are bars left and right.

How do I get the footage to fill the frame from left to right?

And once I render in this strange format, would DVD Architect be able to handle it as a source for DVD/Blueray and display this correctly on a 16:9 TV?

Thanks a lot,

Marcel

 

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john_dennis wrote on 8/30/2018, 1:53 PM

You can render 1920x810 all the way through the process but DVDA will still place it into a 1920x1080 frame and recompress the video adding the black on top and bottom. It's best to just comply to 1920x1080 in Vegas.

Red Prince wrote on 8/30/2018, 2:11 PM

However, when I make a 1920 x 810 project and I drop a normal 16:9 piece of footage inside the project, there are bars left and right.

How do I get the footage to fill the frame from left to right?

Use Event Pan/Crop.

 

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marcel-vossen wrote on 8/30/2018, 2:47 PM

However, when I make a 1920 x 810 project and I drop a normal 16:9 piece of footage inside the project, there are bars left and right.

How do I get the footage to fill the frame from left to right?

Use Event Pan/Crop.

 

But how? I've tried of course but the footage never gets to cover the black bars left and right...

OldaC wrote on 8/30/2018, 3:37 PM

Just change setting for the height in the project window and then in all the events on the timeline. See pictures below ...
 

Musicvid wrote on 8/30/2018, 7:06 PM

In order to put two different formats in one screen, one of them will require cropping, stretching, or bars. Those are your choices. Reason? 16:9 and 2.35:1 are different shapes.

fr0sty wrote on 8/30/2018, 9:09 PM

You can use the track motion option to scale the video up to fill the frame, however the end result, by the time you get it encoded into a format DVDA will accept, will be the exact same as just cropping 16:9 video with black bars. There will be no quality gain.

Former user wrote on 8/30/2018, 11:13 PM

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marcel-vossen wrote on 8/31/2018, 2:11 AM

Thank you all for the help!

I have also been wondering about how project format relates to rendering format. As soon as I drop the first 4k video in the timeline, Vegas asks if I want to use that format for the project, often I just accept that and forget about it, even when I render the project using a 1920x1080 format. But what is the difference in result/stability between rendering a 1080 project and a 4k project using exactly the same 1080 output filter?

I use 1080 and 4k shots in the same project often, basically I use 4k shots when I have a need to zoom in further. So does it make any difference what the project format is set to if you look at the rendering time/stability, the final result or previewing the project?

If it does, does it also matter if the project is of another kind of 1920x1080 format? Often the format of the project ends up being that of the first piece of footage I use, which could be an MP4 from my GH5 in 1080p, but the output filter might be a 1080 format in another bitrate or Sony AVC format, or sometimes even quicktime, depending on the filter I pick.

If this is really important, maybe I’ve been doing it wrong for a very long time 🙄

marcel

 

 

 

Marco. wrote on 8/31/2018, 3:04 AM

The upper part of Project Properties does not affect rendering at all. You will see, once you start a render process these Project Properties will be automatically set to adapt the render properties.

marcel-vossen wrote on 8/31/2018, 3:16 AM

The upper part of Project Properties does not affect rendering at all. You will see, once you start a render process these Project Properties will be automatically set to adapt the render properties.

But I can imagine it does affect the preview speed maybe? Or is project properties only relevant for the proportions of the preview window?

Marco. wrote on 8/31/2018, 3:49 AM

Yes, it affects the preview speed in the way it predefines the preview properties (max. size, frame rate, aspect ratio, etc.).