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IAM4UK wrote on 5/31/2018, 11:57 AM

Although I am not in the business of producing video content for money, the movie-making competitions I compete in are standardized at AVC 1080p @23.976fps in an MP4 container. I shoot footage at 4K resolution, and trade off some of that resolution for making "static" shots more dynamic with VEGAS pan&crop/zoom utility.

JJKizak wrote on 5/31/2018, 1:55 PM

This won't help you but my family doesn't know the difference between 720P, 1080P, 2K, 4K, DVD, or BLURAY.

JJK

Musicvid wrote on 5/31/2018, 6:58 PM

Although I am not in the business of producing video content for money, the movie-making competitions I compete in are standardized at AVC 1080p @23.976fps in an MP4 container. I shoot footage at 4K resolution, and trade off some of that resolution for making "static" shots more dynamic with VEGAS pan&crop/zoom utility.

Pan/Crop/Zoom is exactly the right reason to deliver 1080p from 4k.

Downscaling for it's own sake is not, unless validated by a quantifier (ssim/psnr).

+1

OldJack wrote on 5/31/2018, 7:11 PM

4K results in huge files and slow or problem editing. How is that work for others here?

Rainer wrote on 5/31/2018, 8:40 PM

4K traction for distribution? None at present. Broadcast in Australia it's typically still .mxf 1080 50i 4:2:2 50MB/s. But you probably wouldn't want to buy a FHD camera today.

fr0sty wrote on 5/31/2018, 9:08 PM

4K results in huge files and slow or problem editing. How is that work for others here?

I edit exclusvely in 4K and downsample from there if needed. It works just fine for me, just need a decent workstation. Use proxy files if if you can't afford the upgrade.

As for my preferred formats, AVC is most popular by far, 4K resolution. All of my music festival clients and most of my other clients request 4K edits of their videos, or I include them with the package. I'm now also getting requests for 4K HDR, so I have started experimenting with creating files in that format as well, either H.264 or HEVC for those videos. HEVC has room to grow though, far too much CPU power needed for higher bitrates.

 

I've slowly started transitioning to an online-only delivery format. I offer discounts for clients to accept a digital copy of their video delivered online via google drive (I have gigabit upload speeds at home, so it doesn't take long to post a 90 minute 4K video), and many are starting to take it. I filmed a graduation and sold DVDs, BDs, and MP4 4K files delivered online. About 1/3 of my total video orders are for the digital copy. It won't be long, I won't be burning any more discs. Many of my clients also hire me with social media as the intended delivery format, so that is always handled via 4K mp4 files as well, sometimes HEVC if I'm using HDR.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Red Prince wrote on 5/31/2018, 11:06 PM

I edit exclusvely in 4K and downsample from there if needed.

Same here.

He who knows does not speak; he who speaks does not know.
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Can you imagine the silence if everyone only said what he knows?
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wwjd wrote on 6/1/2018, 8:32 AM

I only do private projects, but am done with HD forever. 4K plus now, edit to delivery. (PS I make no money at this, not even in "business" for this). I'm no help. Why did I even comment? :D

Former user wrote on 6/1/2018, 8:45 AM

I have a big dance show project I do every year and the coordinator still only offers DVDs. I wish she would offer at least Blurays, but in her position she doesn't think the extra time to track and deliver orders is worth it. She still sells a lot of DVDs so I can't complain.

And like JJ Kizak, most of my family and friends don't know the difference in formats, as long as they can see it on their TV they are fine.

OldSmoke wrote on 6/1/2018, 10:22 AM

4K results in huge files and slow or problem editing. How is that work for others here?

I build my system around 4k in 2013 when it was in it’s infancy. My 3930k with my Fury X works fine with 4k for the most part, XAVC-S files don’t play as well as the XAVC-I files. However, this has changed with VP14 and now the latest build of VP15 and even XAVC-S plays much better. I have a few deliveries in 4k, mostly corporate videos, but shoot almost all in 4k aside from sport events as my camera doesn’t shoot 4k 60p.

Storage is cheap, especially spinnig disks and I haven’t had a project that would go beyond 500GB on source files sitting on my SSD.

Until I change my camera to one that shoots 4k 60p I won’t upgrade my system.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

D7K wrote on 6/1/2018, 1:34 PM

Although this project is "just for me" there is some potential for municipalities as well as stock value . My system is going to work ok, I think even for 60 FPS 4K UHD, 8K well that is a different story and above my pay grade. Will be shooting in 4K UHD using Cinelike D for coloring.

 

Thanks all who responded.

wwjd wrote on 6/1/2018, 4:10 PM

If you get "Salmon-Face" in CineD, look at using NATURAL and/or LEEMING LUT - I have yet to use that, but read/seen great things. EDIT: oops you are probably on GH5 or something newer, nevermind :)

D7K wrote on 6/1/2018, 5:18 PM

If you get "Salmon-Face" in CineD, look at using NATURAL and/or LEEMING LUT - I have yet to use that, but read/seen great things. EDIT: oops you are probably on GH5 or something newer, nevermind :)


No, I use Gx8's & Gx85.....nothing special. I normally use natural.