Cooling on a long render.....

D7K wrote on 3/3/2020, 11:15 AM

I have 4 5" fans, fan on my GPU, and liquid cooling on my CPU. The other day when was working on a 4k/6K set of videos, I ran for about 2 hours (I had set the computer settings to a setting that maxed out my gpu @4.4 Ghz) and for the first time ever I had a heat shut down. I went back to my variable CPU clock rates and everything was fine. I really thought my system would say ok on temp, turns out not so much. Any body else run you system at the "rated over clock" and have a heating issue when running for a couple of hours?

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john_dennis wrote on 3/3/2020, 11:58 AM

I've never had a heating problem...

... except for this one.

"maxed out my gpu @4.4 Ghz"

I've never done that, either except for entertainment.

"I have 4 5" fans, fan on my GPU, and liquid cooling on my CPU."

It's equally important how much air is moving through you case, and at what entering and exit temperature.

D7K wrote on 3/3/2020, 1:00 PM

Yikes, that is something. At one time in my own business I had a Unix service, about 25 PC's (terminal in Unix and windows based for other). I had a backup server die one night and that was a good things because the server blew just after a midnight backup (off premise).

I have lots of air space as well and keep it clean (my box is a large gaming box with lots of "space". I expect to do a lot more video this year and thus will just keep the variable MHZ settings to keep things "cool".

Musicvid wrote on 3/3/2020, 1:27 PM

2½ decades ago, in the land of 120MHz CPUs, 2" fans and no graphics fan, the rule was, "Render video at stock."

I still follow that rule, and don't feel like I've missed out on that much in life.

BruceUSA wrote on 3/3/2020, 2:40 PM

If you own a real system cooling system, its will conquer ALL the heat issues, even with overclocked CPU with 16 cores on tap. Heat is no longer an issue ever.

CPU:  i9 Core Ultra 285K OCed @5.6Ghz  
MBO: MSI Z890 MEG ACE Gaming Wifi 7 10G Super Lan, thunderbolt 4
RAM: 48GB RGB DDR5 8200mhz
GPU: NVidia RTX 5080 16GB Triple fan OCed 3100mhz, Bandwidth 1152 GB/s     
NVMe: 2TB T705 Gen5 OS, 4TB Gen4 storage
MSI PSU 1250W. OS: Windows 11 Pro. Custom built hard tube watercooling

 

                                   

                 

               

 

Musicvid wrote on 3/3/2020, 2:49 PM

If you own a real system cooling system, its will conquer ALL the heat issues, even with overclocked CPU with 16 cores on tap. Heat is no longer an issue ever.

Absolutely. I recommend a cooling tower array in this type of configuration:

 

BruceUSA wrote on 3/3/2020, 3:01 PM

If you own a real system cooling system, its will conquer ALL the heat issues, even with overclocked CPU with 16 cores on tap. Heat is no longer an issue ever.

Absolutely. I recommend a cooling tower array in this type of configuration:

 

Believed me. When its come to CPU heat. I don't need any recommendation. What I had is what I need is more than enough.

CPU:  i9 Core Ultra 285K OCed @5.6Ghz  
MBO: MSI Z890 MEG ACE Gaming Wifi 7 10G Super Lan, thunderbolt 4
RAM: 48GB RGB DDR5 8200mhz
GPU: NVidia RTX 5080 16GB Triple fan OCed 3100mhz, Bandwidth 1152 GB/s     
NVMe: 2TB T705 Gen5 OS, 4TB Gen4 storage
MSI PSU 1250W. OS: Windows 11 Pro. Custom built hard tube watercooling

 

                                   

                 

               

 

Former user wrote on 3/3/2020, 3:22 PM

Just a reminder, cooling is good but dust is a killer. Blow or suck that dust out when you are having heat problems.

AVsupport wrote on 3/4/2020, 3:31 PM

setting a CPU throttle to activate at a certain heat level should overcome this situation. When it gets hot it drops the speed. With my liquid cooling / mobo I can auto adjust fan speed from virtually stand still (silent) to 100% based on a thermal response curve that can be adjusted manually if need be. never had an issue that way. You edit in silence and when its time to render, blow some smoke. Make sure you got good unabstruced air flow in your chassis, and clean your filters.

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

32GB (4x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

EricLNZ wrote on 3/4/2020, 4:22 PM

Also bear in mind your room temperature and hence the temperature of the air being blown through.

Former user wrote on 3/4/2020, 8:30 PM

Did your computer shut down due to you being overly cautious and setting the bios temperature too low for auto shutdown? You mentioned a 7700 cpu not K, and did not mention over clocking your GPU. Under natural conditions if you do not have enough ventilation in system, both cpu and gpu throttle themselves until they are at acceptable temperature

I had an auto shutdown once, checked bios , it was set to 70 degrees, I raised it 10 degrees and never had a problem with shutdown or thermal throttling of cpu or gpu

D7K wrote on 3/5/2020, 9:00 AM

Standard Over clock @ 4400 from 4200 with 15 seconded time limit. Temp Max thermal control 100. Am going to do a stress test with the intel app and see what happens. Greatly appreciate all who responded.

D7K wrote on 3/5/2020, 8:37 PM

Did a stress test, rest warning to 85C, System ran fast and stayed below 69C. Don't know what happened before but apparently it had nothing to do with the cooling. Did the same render no problems.

TheRhino wrote on 3/8/2020, 2:49 PM

@D7K Your I7-7700 is known for producing random temperature spikes so you might want to Google I7-7700 & "temperature spikes" to see if there are any new solutions to this problem.

If you own a real... cooling system, it will conquer ALL the heat issues, even with overclocked CPU with 16 cores on tap. Heat is no longer an issue ever.

@BruceUSA Not necessarily... Every time each of us buys a CPU we play the "silicon lottery"...  Some cool & overclock better than others regardless how much you spend on a cooling system... Your 1950X is effectively (2) 8-core 1800X CPUs connected via infinity fabric in a 72mm X 55mm space... About 50% of them will hit 4.0 ghz with high-end liquid cooling like you have, so apparently you have a better one...

At least in the "silicon lottery" you can always resell your CPU for a small loss & pay a little more to get one guaranteed to reach faster overclocks... In contrast, we play the "socket lottery" each time we invest in a new chip platform... Intel has done it in the past, but this time AMD appears to have abandoned socket TR4 in favor of socket TRX4 therefore preventing X399 motherboards from accepting modern Threadripper 3 CPUs... I didn't choose X399 in 2019 partly because of the lack of official/reliable Thunderbolt 3 support, an Intel proprietary technology.  However, one of the selling points for Threadripper 1 & 2 was the expectation that I could drop-in a 3rd generation CPU without having to rebuild my entire system...

2½ decades ago, in the land of 120MHz CPUs, 2" fans and no graphics fan, the rule was, "Render video at stock." I still follow that rule, and don't feel like I've missed out on that much in life.

My rule is to find the overclock setting where they can run a 24 hour stress test & then throttle it back one step, or in the case of my 9900K, to 4.9ghz where the radiator fans also become silent... Mine & about 50% of the (early) 9900K easily overclock to 5.0 ghz on air, but I'm using a $140 Corsair H150i self-contained liquid cooler with 3-fan radiator to keep it dead-quiet @ 4.9 ghz for nearby sound recording... Since my VEGA 64 LQ has its own separate liquid cooling loop w/1 fan radiator, I can tweak both my CPU & GPU individually so they run at full-load without spinning up the fans... Other than the 4 radiator fans & 1 power supply fan pushing air out of the case, I do not have any other fans in my 9900K case. In comparison, my old air-cooled Xeons have extra case fans & require more periodic dust-removal...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

D7K wrote on 3/8/2020, 3:06 PM

I've settled on the factory over clock with a warning at 85C and so far everything in my two most stressful programs (Vegas and Samplitude with full Orchestra) are running fine, and actually so is Mercalli. Until I upgrade my system I am "offically" happy:)