A lot of that stuff is probably upscaled to UHD :-P

It's mostly just shot like crap, by people who know nothing about lighting, exposure, composition, color space, or even clean glass. Higher camera resolution generally makes that worse, not better.

Thus my point. Makeup!

All streaming codecs are lossy.

Is high speed internet necessarily slower and lossier than cable for streaming video and movies?

Try explaining your answer to my coax neighbors between 4-9 pm most days.

Musicvid, I'd be curious what you felt about your 1080 to 4k comparison you mentioned. When I view 4k on a 4k Screen, it is visually better. But, on Youtube, the 4k is great, then you switch to 1080 on a 4k screen and it is visually worse, (as it should be) BUT could that simply be the crappy conversion Youtube does to the content? I still don't think HD can look as good as 4k - same with 4k vs 8k - but 95% of all viewing public may not notice or care. But I do.

Streaming: I tried buying into HD streaming on VUDU with "Ghost in the Shell", then bought the Blu-ray. The Blu had less banding and artifacts, and is still better. I have no doubt future streaming with hit the mark with internet speeds constantly ramping up still.

Just when I was considering upgrading everything to 4k, I received an email from Samsung a week or so ago leading to this:

https://www.samsung.com/us/explore/qled-8k-tv/

and this:

https://pages.samsung.com/ca/8k/English/index.jsp?mkm_rid=8111853310&mkm_mid=DM19241&cid=ca_email_newsletter_ceswrapup_20190115_h-cta-signup-tv-televisions-qled

Coming soon to a Costco near you!

I guess that we can expect the nle's, including those from Magix, to go to 8k in the near future, new prosumer 8k cameras and the prices to drop. Watch for 8k cameras on cell phones.

I can't keep up! Back to Full HD editing.

Just when I was considering upgrading everything to 4k, I received an email from Samsung a week or so ago leading to this:

https://www.samsung.com/us/explore/qled-8k-tv/

and this:

https://pages.samsung.com/ca/8k/English/index.jsp?mkm_rid=8111853310&mkm_mid=DM19241&cid=ca_email_newsletter_ceswrapup_20190115_h-cta-signup-tv-televisions-qled

Coming soon to a Costco near you!

I guess that we can expect the nle's, including those from Magix, to go to 8k in the near future, new prosumer 8k cameras and the prices to drop. Watch for 8k cameras on cell phones.

I can't keep up! Back to Full HD editing.

 

8K on phones is going to take a while, and even if it comes soon the quality will not be such that you'd want to use that as a main camera... As good as the phones are these days... they are still bested, easily, by $250 Sony camcorders... Low bitrate, high sharpening, noise reduction, mediocre zoom, along with tons of other in-camera processing and typically bad audio :-P … in HEVC.

I think 10-Bit in FHD and UHD would be much more useful than 6K/8K in smartphones, frankly... and/or the ability to record directly to an Intermediate like DNxHD/R, HQX, or ProRes.

As good as the phones are these days... they are still bested, easily, by $250 Sony camcorders...

Not true for all phones. Depending on what you record and how, footage from my iPhone 8 Plus shot at 4K 30p cuts nicely with footage from my FDR-AX700 and a6300 4K footage.

I don't see 8K coming as fast as 4K did, and that took a while. But, 8K and higher are sure used in the professional world and 8K has been around for a while in that segment. If Vegas want's to upkeep the "Pro" in it's product name, it better be exactly that.

I had an iPhone 8 Plus. The video is not as good as a $250-300 Sony Camcorder. Neither is my Note 9's. It gets even worse when the light starts to dim, as well :-P

If someone cut iPhone footage in with a professional cinema camera's footage, or a high end DSLR/Mirrorless camera's footage, I would notice the iPhone footage almost immediately - unless the editor went out of their way to make the DSLR/Cinema camera's footage look as bad as the iPhone's.

iPhones are great P&S cameras, that's about it.

I had every iPhone Plus model... 6, 6s, 7, and 8... The 8 Plus' camera was barely an improvement over the 7 Plus, which was actually not much of an improvement over the 6s Plus, which was actually worse in low light than the 6 (smaller pixels to make room for the higher resolution). I've never owned an X or Xs device, though... Maybe the massive improvements are there. I'm speaking of quality... not the added frame rates and resolutions... I actually wonder if I would see more if the camera did less aggressive post-processing, though the RAW images the iPhone 8 Plus produced was so full of noise that I severely doubt it.

Part of the reason I just went back to Android is because I gave up on trying to convince myself these phones were camera killers... and bought a small Camcorder to record my on the go video... and I was shocked at how small those things have gotten over the years.

The Camcorder video is definitely better than my iPhone's and my Notes... In lower light, it isn't even a competition.

That being said, I'm going to play around with the Pro Mode on my Note 9 to see what results I get. You have piqued my interest.

Vegas can't even render 4K top/bottom full 3D VR yet.

The professional VR folks are working at higher resolutions than this.