FireWire card and Windows 10 - Encoding old MiniDV's

AVK wrote on 3/12/2019, 7:14 PM

I have a few older camcorders that use FireWire cables to connect to a PC. In the past, before Windows 10 and older versions of Vegas, I didn't have any issues connecting and encoding/transferring videos from older tapes. Windows 10 and new PC's don't play nice with FireWire cards, as I have learned from personal experience and posts on forums.

So is there another way to connect an old camcorder with a FireWire cable to my brand new PC with Windows 10 so that I can import old tapes? For example, I see FireWire to USB converters on Amazon (https://amzn.to/2J9upvL), but wish to know if Vegas Pro will be able to recognize the source when using one of these? Anyone have any experience with this please?

Again, the goal is to encode dozens of old MinDV tapes.

Thank you.

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bvideo wrote on 3/13/2019, 12:25 AM

Those adapters are a scam. The reviews bear that out. I don't believe a FW adapter to USB is technically feasible.

I'm using a Syba SY-PEX30016 PCIe card with success on Windows 10 on a new PC connected to a noriously fussy firewire audio interface, though I have not tried it yet with a DV camera.

What was the experience you had?

JJKizak wrote on 3/13/2019, 5:53 AM

I have used a Firewire card in one of my computers and I believe there are some drivers that have to be downloaded for Windows 10 to get it to function.I still use Windows 7.

JJK

Dexcon wrote on 3/13/2019, 6:14 AM

@AVK ... You mention that you have a new PC with W10. Did you keep your older computer which presumably worked well with Firewire? If you did, it would then seem possible to transfer the MiniDVs to the old computer and then transfer the files to your new computer via an ext HD or whatever else works. On occasion, I've pulled out my old but still working XP computer to transfer video/audio (inc VHS) via my old MiniDV camera to the XP computer just to enable the xfer to digital.

AVK wrote on 3/13/2019, 11:22 AM

Those adapters are a scam. The reviews bear that out. I don't believe a FW adapter to USB is technically feasible.

I'm using a Syba SY-PEX30016 PCIe card with success on Windows 10 on a new PC connected to a noriously fussy firewire audio interface, though I have not tried it yet with a DV camera.

What was the experience you had?


On my HP Windows 10 machine, that is about 4 years old, with a store bought (Fry's Electronics) FireWire card, Vegas Pro doesn't recognize any attached devices. I would have to stop/start the Capture Video a few times and maybe turn the camcorder on/off a few times, and once in a while it work. The other thing that seem to have helped was starting the capture using HDV or SDI selection. That of course didn't actually read/transfer the tape, but seemed to recognize the camcorder. I would then stop the HDV recording after a few seconds, then start it again but using DV option, and it would work. Super random.

AVK wrote on 3/13/2019, 11:25 AM

@AVK ... You mention that you have a new PC with W10. Did you keep your older computer which presumably worked well with Firewire? If you did, it would then seem possible to transfer the MiniDVs to the old computer and then transfer the files to your new computer via an ext HD or whatever else works. On occasion, I've pulled out my old but still working XP computer to transfer video/audio (inc VHS) via my old MiniDV camera to the XP computer just to enable the xfer to digital.


@Dexcon see one of my replies to your question of "what old machine I have". I could potentially continue to employ the old machine to do the super inconsistent way of connecting to the camcorder. It's just a royal pain the in rear. I was hoping to find another way that works, without me having to install legacy hardware and drivers into my new and shiny video editing machine. 😀

JN_ wrote on 3/13/2019, 11:33 AM

I used this card on Win 10 PC aok to connect DV camcorder. It’s currently unavailable on Amazon.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002VA84E6/ref=pe_3187911_189395841_TE_dp_1

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j-v wrote on 3/13/2019, 12:10 PM

On my HP Windows 10 machine, that is about 4 years old, with a store bought (Fry's Electronics) FireWire card, Vegas Pro doesn't recognize any attached devices.

I looked at that card, that costs a lot more than the very old card I'm able to use since many years also with Windows 10 latest updates. I build that card over and over from my computers since I bought that card in 1999.
It maybe important to use the latest Texas Instruments device drivers of Windows from 2006 , because I saw your fire wire card use also the chip of Texas Instruments. You can controle that in your Device manager and specify there the driverversion of the IEEE 1394 Host Controler's "Texas Instruments 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller"

That it still works in Vegas 16 on Windows 10 I show your here and I'm lucky to have captured those tapes of 2007 very long ago, because its quality is or played on my old device now is very bad with missing sound.

 

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bvideo wrote on 3/13/2019, 1:46 PM

I just now was able to recognize and capture from my old Sony DCR-PC7 using the Vegas Video Capture app through the Syba card in my first post.

The driver looks like this:

I also tried an adapter that let me use the 2nd and 3rd ports using my old 6-to-4 pin cable.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B010AEU5PK/ref=od_aui_detailpages00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

diverG wrote on 3/13/2019, 2:26 PM

The old legacy driver for W7 needs to located and installed.  I have a copy of the driver & installation info.  Am I permitted to link files to this site?

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Sys 2 Gig Z170-HD3 i7 6700K @ 3.8Ghz 16gb + 250gb SSD 2x2Tb hdd GTX 750ti   Vegas 14 & 16 plus Edius 8WG Win 10 (1809)BMIP4k video out

 

AVK wrote on 3/13/2019, 2:55 PM

The old legacy driver for W7 needs to located and installed.  I have a copy of the driver & installation info.  Am I permitted to link files to this site?


Can't answer if you're permitted to link, but I would love to get a copy of the driver with detailed installation instructions. Can you DM them to me? Thanks!

diverG wrote on 3/13/2019, 4:38 PM

Need to hook up an older W10 machine to get at my downloads cache.  Job for tomorrow.

Found these two sites that may get you on your way.   The driver is quite a small file.

Driver:

Link: https://www.helpjet.net/Fs-26575161-75843699-39973536.html

Instruction's:
Link: https://www.videoproductions.com.au/html/legacy-firewire-driver.html 

Edit: This is the correct msi file. Have just downloaded & it seems clean. 204Kb so OK for email.

Link:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=44219

Would suggest you take a system image before making changes just in case things go wrong.

Best of luck G

 

 

 

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AVK wrote on 3/13/2019, 5:45 PM

Need to hook up an older W10 machine to get at my downloads cache.  Job for tomorrow.

Found these two sites that may get you on your way.   The driver is quite a small file.

Driver:

Link: https://www.helpjet.net/Fs-26575161-75843699-39973536.html

Instruction's:
Link: https://www.videoproductions.com.au/html/legacy-firewire-driver.html 

Edit: This is the correct msi file. Have just downloaded & it seems clean. 204Kb so OK for email.

Link:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=44219

Would suggest you take a system image before making changes just in case things go wrong.

Best of luck G

 

 

 


Thank you. And sounds like I have to find a card with Texas Instruments chip set. Seems like what people are having most luck with.

diverG wrote on 3/14/2019, 10:43 AM

If you have trouble with VP 'capture' you can always use 'scenalyzer' for DV or 'HDVSplit' for HDV.

Both free downloads and still available.

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AVK wrote on 3/14/2019, 10:51 AM

If you have trouble with VP 'capture' you can always use 'scenalyzer' for DV or 'HDVSplit' for HDV.

Both free downloads and still available.


I've tried other apps. Same problem - they do not find a device that is attached using FireWire.

diverG wrote on 3/14/2019, 2:06 PM

When the camera is connected.  Can you see it in the device manager?  If not you have no chance. 

If camera recognised you need to set the camera to HDV (assuming you intend capturing HDV). Manually set to either DV or HDV. Best not to leave the camera on auto.

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