I would welcome an educational forum for gamers, capture ware developers, and hobbyists, to dispel some of the superstition, speculation, and just plain sloppiness that accompanies many of those discussions. A couple of examples:

1. Hardware rendering does not make video play back better.

2. Upscaling, Downscaling, frame rate doubling, do not make video look better.

2a. 8 bit source rendered to 10 bit does not look better.

3. The best open source codecs, with headers written badly by bad coders, are all garbage to editors.

4. TS source can have errors that will crash editors.

5. YouTube does not maintain source quality, nor can it be told to do so.

6. Encoding a file always loses quality. Direct stream copy does not.

7. MP3 audio is not universally playable with video.

8. Uploading copyrighted material can get you in trouble.

9. The best tutorials for Vegas for gamers are on the game capture websites.

10. No one viewing will have the same boner you had while playing the game.

+1 x 10.

as has been pointed out elsewhere, there's a lot i don't understand, among which is why anyone would want to watch someone else's gameplay. i can understand walkthroughs, but just watching someone play is, well, boring as sh*t afaic.

i also have a sneaking feeling that vegas may well be heading to

catch-all prosumer program with modest professional capabilities

i think most software houses tend to either specialise in consumer or pro markets. avid, bm, don't bend to the masses, adobe does both, but very clearly defined, the rest, well whatever the market wants / sells.

such is the fate of the 21st century.

Excellent suggestions!

I've been keeping this to myself for a long time. IMHO Vegas missed or is missing the boat on becoming the YouTube go-to video application for the last couple of years. There are many many YouTubers w/ huge following that use Vegas that I personally watch on a regular basis. I've been asking myself why didn't Vegas cater more to the YouTube editors in the beginning? I also agree by all means to keep up w/ professional studio production features and compatibility but there's a huge niche market that use Vegas on YouTube.

One great feature they could have added was a good built in screen capture feature where YouTubers can capture realtime gameplay, record their audio and edit. Simple features to cater to millennials like optional kiche features like easier map route overlay or something.

+1 x 10.

as has been pointed out elsewhere, there's a lot i don't understand, among which is why anyone would want to watch someone else's gameplay. i can understand walkthroughs, but just watching someone play is, well, boring as sh*t afaic.

i also have a sneaking feeling that vegas may well be heading to

catch-all prosumer program with modest professional capabilities

i think most software houses tend to either specialise in consumer or pro markets. avid, bm, don't bend to the masses, adobe does both, but very clearly defined, the rest, well whatever the market wants / sells.

such is the fate of the 21st century.

Yea I can see how watching someone else game can be boring as $#!+. ((;

But, as far as watching other's gameplay, it depends on the context that you're watching. Many gamers are quite passionate about the games they play and like to watch good players use requested bad or hard load outs and see how they do and many times these good gamers provide tips and tutorials how to be proficient player on some of the harder games.

Also, watching gamers play is a way many people preview if they want to purchase the game or not. I.e. I've been watching a lot of Battlefield 1 but it has not impressed me enough to purchase it but I watch game play to see new maps and graphics that may entice me to purchase it down the road when it goes on sale.

Yes there is a cadre of unpaid fanboys for every game title out there. What would you call someone who spends their time watching armchair quarterbacks?

I watch game videos all the time. Only with the intent of seeing exactly what goes on inside the game before bothering with it or spending money on it. But, I skip through them always. NEVER watched a whole one - just short parts.

Perhaps my wants/needs are very different here. I would like to see Vegas have a new version of Acid added. 64 Bit DAW and expand the the number of Plug ins supplied with the program. A gamer version should be a Movie Studio version, keep Vegas as a semi-pro/Pro/indie film maker tool. with Premier being subscription based that is the market weakness for Vegas to explore. I am not anti-Gaming - I have a nice wheel setup for racing, but Vegas PRO should be for videographers and film makers IMHO and compete directly against the Adobe video and animation products.

I don't see how someone capturing footage for a game related video should be handled any differently then someone who captured footage for plain cuts, FX shots, talking head interviews, etc. I've done game videos and I've found it EASIER to work with that then camera footage: all the variable I deal with when using a camera (FOV, white balance, focus, etc) are no longer an issue.

Depending on what someone wants to do though, a different suite could be a better option.

"I am not anti-Gaming..."

Rather, I'm a-gaming. I'm not necessarily against it, I've just never had any interest in it, ever. Perhaps, it's because I'm not creative enough to build new worlds or aggressive enough to shoot first and ask questions later. Though, I've attempted to solve problems with people who are just trying to get their game play uploaded to youtube, I usually feel that my time spent was about as useful as pissing into the wind. I'll share that I'm also not interested in hunting or fishing but I fly to the other coast ever so often to spend time with my brother doing both because that's what he likes to do.

My cynical self suspects that minus the licenses that non-professionals buy, Vegas would have been insolvent years ago. If the forum is separated by use, the people who edit camera video will be a small niche off at the edge of the forum list.        

I'm definitely for a hardware/gaming/benchmark corner on the forum.

Some segregation of those interests might preclude some of the lengthy OT exchanges that have set up camp in the editing forums as of late.

Here's the thing ... Some of the folks producing these videos seemed to be doing ALRIGHT !! .. They are not likely the ones showing up here for help ... These are the ones that quite possibly are making a living at it. I see that some of these game play videos get upwards of 5 million hits on YouTube! .. Can they make that pay enough?

I started by thinking the folks showing up here doing "game play" videos could use their own Vegas Version and their own forum .. and now I see this might be a much bigger story.

 .. and now I see this might be a much bigger story.

Yes it would seem that way. And it would seem to further blur the lines between producer and hobbyist, a discussion that for me, at least, goes back to my purchases of Vegas 2 and Videowave in the early '90s. Incidentally, both are now the property of Magix.

Vegas Movie Studio ?...

With incorporated modules for "screen capture" & "direct upload to video/soc service".

And then may The Force be with them all!

They just don't need the Scripts, the LUTs, the MXF and many other encoders, the Color Management, the AJA/Blackmagic external monitoring, even multi-GPU support is questionable... and lots and lots more.

Screen Capture; Direct Upload; sort of Primatte Chroma Key; sort of Twixtor; sort of Waves' Maxx Bass VST plugin; plus a couple of fancy presets for GoPro ProTune as a "bonus" -- that's for "Mega Nitro Titanium Carbon Edition".

(Besides, well, I have doubts all gamers are capable of paying full price for Vegas Pro. So, business-wise, let them be happy with what you can sell to them.)

I'm definitely for a hardware/gaming/benchmark corner on the forum.

Some segregation of those interests might preclude some of the lengthy OT exchanges that have set up camp in the editing forums as of late.

Benchmarks/hardware sure, but who's going to read it? On SCS's forum nobody read the scripting or audio forums (jetdv's forum had much better scripting info) & posted in the video forum just so they could get answers.

As for OT stuff, that's moderator's job to keep those pruned, or let thread starters do it themselves. The SCS/SF Vegas forums had lots of OT threads, some very pointless & some vile, all before people using Vegas to edit game videos started showing up.

These guys are the future of Vegas. Send them somewhere else & then in several years everyone here will have another "Vegas sucks because they're catering to (in this case) those gamers!" thread because they're the ones buying Vegas, telling everyone in their videos their using Vegas, getting Vegas sales, and Magix will see a future in them.

 

(Besides, well, I have doubts all gamers are capable of paying full price for Vegas Pro. So, business-wise, let them be happy with what you can sell to them.)

I know from parallel discussions on other encoding forums that the vast majority will not touch something they can't download for free. There are early indications that allowances are down this year as well.

A big part of the problem for nonlinear editors who try to troubleshoot this stuff are several free screencap programs in common use and their outdated, misflagged, obscure, and just plain buggy unlicensed codecs. Vegas, in particular, seems to be very picky about mp4 Major Brand (Codec ID) variances from the norm.

Now if the Movie Studio team were to capitalize on this, they would bundle with a really good capture app, and sell the 1080p version for $39.95.

Just thinking out loud...