@GerY - BEDANKT !!! Dit moet VegHead essentieel zijn om te bekijken . Ik heb zoveel geleerd.

Vraag: Hij gebruikte een kleurcurve van derden. Waarom geen gebruik maken van de VP CCurves?

Geweldige YT-bron voor CC.

 

I understand what you mean, Grazie, but I don't know that either. These Josh from scrapyardfilms have many tutorials for using Vegas and give a lot of information

"Why not use the VP CCurves?"

He uses the "Brightness over Saturation" tool in curve's HSL mode. Both things are not available in the core VP curves.

He uses the "Brightness over Saturation" tool in curve's HSL mode. Both things are not available in the core VP curves.

@Marco. - But again, he's also using 2nd CC which does? And what is the relevance or importance or value of having "Brightness over Saturation" ? I'm sure there must be, I'm just asking for clarity - please?

There is no core tool in Vegas Pro which does this kind of control, not even the Secondary Color Correction.

Or try to achieve same thing using the Color Corrector Secondary instead of Grade Color Curves like used in this demo:

The last critical step in video Grading is Leveling the output.

I previously critiqued the author's earlier tut for overlooking this axiom, and his live talking head scenes are improved, if not all the way.

When I saw his clipped RGB effects in this otherwise excellent tutorial, I passed it off as artistry without structure, as so many hurried creators have little use for the latter. However, when I saw this was really a pitch for SEMW products, I started giggling uncontrollably, and haven't stopped since. I'm certain that very few here will not see the irony in the marketing piece. Of course, the free SEMW extension will take care of this nicely, without even a little bit of angst. We love his facility with the controls and glimpses of correctly leveled output from his Vegas preview. Now, we would be even happier if we could see the other 14% of dynamic range that has vanished from the delivery...

Of course, 25p is not a cinematic, but a television format in Europe, and the guitar riff is clipped to a cringe..

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

Happy Holidays!

[video clip coming]

Or try to achieve same thing using the Color Corrector Secondary instead of Grade Color Curves like used in this demo:

@Marco. I am just a little confused. The comment before this one says there is core function in Vegas that does brightness over saturation, but then the next comment says the above. Are you saying the brightness over saturation adjustment can be done in Vegas using CCS? Just trying to understand.

@karma17
"The comment before this one says there is core function in Vegas that does brightness over saturation"

Where did you read this? At least in the easy way Graide Color Curves does, imho it cannot be done with VP's core tools.

The last critical step in video Grading is Leveling the output.

I previously critiqued the author's earlier tut for overlooking this axiom, and his live talking head scenes are improved, if not all the way.

When I saw his clipped RGB effects in this otherwise excellent tutorial, I passed it off as artistry without structure, as so many hurried creators have little use for the latter. However, when I saw this was really a pitch for SEMW products, I started giggling uncontrollably, and haven't stopped since. I'm certain that very few here will not see the irony in the marketing piece. Of course, the free SEMW extension will take care of this nicely, without even a little bit of angst. We love his facility with the controls and glimpses of correctly leveled output from his Vegas preview. Now, we would be even happier if we could see the other 14% of dynamic range that has vanished from the delivery...

Of course, 25p is not a cinematic, but a television format in Europe, and the guitar riff is clipped to a cringe..

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/pc-to-tv-levels-a-comedy-of-errors--107325/

Happy Holidays!

[video clip coming]

 

With much irony criticizing a tutorial from the sidelines is easy. I challenge you to make an equivalent tutorial with only VP17. And I also wish you happy holidays

Tutorial is a bit fast for non-English speakers, but I think it is nice.

However, the biggest issue I think is that the correction based on preview that known as "quite inaccurate". It is possible that this was mentioned but I missed this bit.

Tutorial is a bit fast for non-English speakers, but I think it is nice..

Like many tutorials out of the US or Asia it's even a bit fast for us who have English as our native language. Local accents and dialects vary, and are not always easily understood in other parts of the world.

@Marco. Oh I said it wrong. Sorry about that.

I read this comment:

There is no core tool in Vegas Pro which does this kind of control, not even the Secondary Color Correction.

But then I read this one:

Or try to achieve same thing using the Color Corrector Secondary instead of Grade Color Curves like used in this demo:

So I was confused because it sounded like you were saying Vegas could perhaps achieve a brightness over saturation effect but I didn't see it from the demo. Is there any way to achieve the same effect in Vegas? That's all I'm really asking.

I see what you mean. I expressed it that way because I'm curious on my own if someone would find same way to get this straight done with Color Corrector Secondary. I don't. And I doubt there's any core FX which would do this. I'll try again later.

Isn't "desaturating shadows" pretty much the same thing as "crushing the blacks?" He's turning the dark blues blacker, and the effect is very subtle. Couldn't you use color curves, set precise points on the black end of the curve, and then just pull down that little section on the RGB curve (or just the blue channel if that's the concern) to bring just the shadows down?

Chrushing the blacks is bringing levels which are close to black totally down to black.
Brightness>Saturation modifies the saturation of a certain Y range whithout modifying the Y level, so it can be used to desaturate levels near black without bringing it down to black.

Color Curves is Brightness>Brightness.

Different tools …

By the way – I would not take such tutorials as strict guidance. In this very case I don't like the results shown in the initial tutorial at all and I'm not in line with the use of tools shown there. Also he does not use the tools as straight as he could, e.g. he clicks onto each single node of the GCC instead of simply drawing the region over the nodes and he deselects each single curve mode instead of using a single Strg+Click to select only one.
I would take such tutorials as inspiration and just as a rough demo of how tools maybe could be used.

But after several testings I can say I was wrong about Color Corrector Secondary. It can be used at least in a similar way as the GCC Brightness>Saturation tool if "Limit Luminance" is the only mode selected in CCS. It's different in the way it affects R', G' and B' and it's a different kind of handling but for what was done in the initial tutorial I think the result could have been same.

With much irony criticizing a tutorial from the sidelines is easy. I challenge you to make an equivalent tutorial with only VP17. And I also wish you happy holidays

The one thing I did not criticize is the tutorial, and I made that abundantly clear. I am at the mercy of such advanced guidance on grading, and I am deeply sorry you do not understand the difference.

Leveling my own video-technical articles is something I have done diligently about since 2011, when a group of us at the SCS forum spent doing hundreds of hours doing research and testing. One such article on leveling is linked above. Worth a read. Several more are linked in my signature below, Including our collaborative video tutorial from 2011 that focuses on the parallel topic of Leveling, and that output is correctly leveled to B.T. 709 video and ATSC A/85 audio standards, as indicated at the end. BTW, the source for that piece is HDV / AVCHD tape, with its own unique grading challenges. It won't be updated, because we're off to new research on conforming monitor calibration for the prosumer. Watch for that tutorial this winter.

Leveling for B.T. 709 and ATSC A84 / EBU R128 compliance, once understood, becomes but a mundane, repetitive chore that is always undertaken after all else is done, therefore not any reflection on the content, except in the case of commercial content, where such compliance is not only expected, it is implicit.

In fact, the reason so many excellent vlogs, media articles, and tutorial and entertainment series on social media are not picked up for syndication or broadcast is that they are not conformed to legal video and audio levels. Imagine that.

I agree, criticizing from the couch is easy. Critiquing from the press booth though is difficult, owing to the added layers of credibility, authenticity, and accountability incumbent on the reporter. Or so it used to be.

With that in mind, and with much irony, now that I've shown you mine, will you show me yours?

Since english is not my language, I use google translate. I only use Vegas Pro 17 for my hobby, making some films, editing and saving as a souvenir or for someone else who asks for it. Although I have been using Vegas for a number of years, started with Vegas Pro 11, I keep learning. Also by watching the videos that are on youtube. This includes the videos from "scrapyard" and the tutorials and scripts from "Dust Voice". The Dust Voice script "planar tracking" works much better than the Vegas tutorial. So I say yes for info, where I come from, that I can use. I found the explanation of "scrapyard" enlightening, learned again. I also think that "Scrapyard" does not advertise Semw Levels, he only gives tips. I also mentioned Blufftitler in my tutorial and that is not because I want to advertise but because I am convinced of the quality and possibilities that this program provides. In my opinion much better and cheaper than New Blue Titler. Is that advertising ...... no, I think it's just a tip.

 I also think that "Scrapyard" does not advertise Semw Levels, he only gives tips.

I find that statement remarkable, in the current climate of spiffs, perks, paid reviews, and cross-promotional marketing agreements.

BTW, I have viewed your excellent tutorials, which are unfortunately not conformed for 709, PAL (EBU) or NTSC (ATSC) delivery. I'd be happy to help.

@Marco. Thanks. I always appreciate your insight into things. Are color curves still considered Brightness > Brightness if you just pull down the blue channel and not the combined RGB channel? I notice CC seems to have some automated functions added in V17. Do you use any of those?

But after several testings ....It can be used at least in a similar way as the GCC Brightness>Saturation tool if "Limit Luminance" is the only mode selected in CCS. ..but for what was done in the initial tutorial I think the result could have been same.

@Marco. - Yeah, that was my only point.

With much irony criticizing a tutorial from the sidelines is easy. I challenge you to make an equivalent tutorial with only VP17. And I also wish you happy holidays

The one thing I did not criticize is the tutorial, and I made that abundantly clear. I am at the mercy of such advanced guidance on grading, and I am deeply sorry you do not understand the difference.

Leveling my own video-technical articles is something I have done diligently about since 2011, when a group of us at the SCS forum spent doing hundreds of hours doing research and testing. One such article on leveling is linked above. Worth a read. Several more are linked in my signature below, Including our collaborative video tutorial from 2011 that focuses on the parallel topic of Leveling, and that output is correctly leveled to B.T. 709 video and ATSC A/85 audio standards, as indicated at the end. BTW, the source for that piece is HDV / AVCHD tape, with its own unique grading challenges. It won't be updated, because we're off to new research on conforming monitor calibration for the prosumer. Watch for that tutorial this winter.

Leveling for B.T. 709 and compliance, once understood, becomes but a mundane, repetitive chore that is always undertaken after all else is done, therefore not any reflection on the content, except in the case of commercial content, where such compliance is not only expected, it is implicit.

In fact, the reason so many excellent vlogs, media articles, and tutorial and entertainment series on social media are not picked up for syndication or broadcast is that they are not conformed to legal video and audio levels. Imagine that.

I agree, criticizing from the couch is easy. Critiquing from the press booth though is difficult, owing to the added layers of credibility, authenticity, and accountability incumbent on the reporter. Or so it used to be.

With that in mind, and with much irony, now that I've shown you mine, will you show me yours?

I confess to you that I didn't even know what BT 709 video or ATSC A84 / EBU R128 meant. I did not edit the image in the tutorials because it is only intended to show how I did it. In the coming days I will delve more into BT709 and ATSC A84 / EBU R128. And I really like that you want to help me with this. Sometimes it's just not enough time to delve into such topics. But as you have already indicated, this is necessary to arrive at a good end product. Also think that some possibilities and applications should already be in Vegas Pro .... given the word Pro. So that you do not need all kinds of programs and applications to come to a good end result. So now we are going to celebrate Christmas first.