[help] Best settings for max performance?!

Yamiks wrote on 11/16/2019, 12:59 PM

I've been poking Vegas (pro & others) thru-out multitude of versions & haven't really gotten close to making the playback or other parts work faster or better.

SO THEN : what do you recommend changing in setting ..even in the hidden settings to make things goo faster?!

 

In the mean time here's my results on a few things:

> Preview quality - affects some playback speed quite well, but depends on codec being used. It usually helps in ~20% of the cases

> Enabling GPU acceleration for preview - GARBAGE, yes it helps a little, but even with 2080TI, or old gear, this feature causes way too many program crashes and never seem to be fixed. In Vegas 16 it was improved so it crashed LESS and was kind of useful, the random unexpected crashing that ruined notable amount of progress still causes distrust.

> Maxing out USED RAM : yes this is required, but to this day Vegas only supports only 32GB ram. While I have over 64GB that just...sits there!

> Maximum number of rendering threads : Very important, but if you have slow cores (like a threadripper that I have) it still fails to deliver frames in preview fast enough and only while rendering manages to gain a notable benefit...unless you use a non-multithreaded, non-GPU accelerated VFX/SFX etc.(in which case : enjoy the single-task paradime)

>Using SSD for editing : this reduces the latency for picking up files & frames from the file, but haven't tested how much it changes the preview performance or rendering (some early tests didn't yeld more than 5% change)

 

My rig:

CPU : Threadripper 2950x (stock)

Ram : G.Skill trident RGB 3200mhz (small ram timing change 16-18-18-18-30)

GPU : Inno3D 2080Ti (stock)

Used software : Vegas 9-16(current)

Example of my usual footage :
 

General
Complete name               : F:\LV3\2019-11-13 18-19-33-498.mp4
Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media
Codec ID                    : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                   : 2.41 GiB
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 33.2 Mb/s
Writing application         : Lavf58.20.100

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.2
Format settings             : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 3 frames
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 10 min 24 s
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 32.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate            : 2 000 kb/s
Width                       : 1 664 pixels
Height                      : 970 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 1.715
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 60.000 FPS
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.340
Stream size                 : 2.40 GiB (99%)
Codec configuration box     : avcC

Audio #1
ID                          : 2
Format                      : AAC LC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Duration_LastFrame          : -17 ms
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel layout              : L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                  : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 9.45 MiB (0%)
Default                     : Yes
Alternate group             : 1

Audio #2
ID                          : 3
Format                      : AAC LC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Duration_LastFrame          : -17 ms
Bit rate mode               : Constant
Bit rate                    : 129 kb/s
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel layout              : L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                  : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 9.63 MiB (0%)
Default                     : No
Alternate group             : 1

 

Comments

Musicvid wrote on 11/16/2019, 1:22 PM

Thanks for your comments, but they have no real context, nor can we make suggestions without knowing your source parameters.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

john_dennis wrote on 11/16/2019, 2:32 PM

"Width : 1 664 pixels

Height : 970 pixels

Display aspect ratio : 1.715"

Are you capturing non-16x9 windows?

Are your project properties set to match the media?

BruceUSA wrote on 11/16/2019, 2:35 PM

I've been poking Vegas (pro & others) thru-out multitude of versions & haven't really gotten close to making the playback or other parts work faster or better.

SO THEN : what do you recommend changing in setting ..even in the hidden settings to make things goo faster?!

 

In the mean time here's my results on a few things:

> Preview quality - affects some playback speed quite well, but depends on codec being used. It usually helps in ~20% of the cases

> Enabling GPU acceleration for preview - GARBAGE, yes it helps a little, but even with 2080TI, or old gear, this feature causes way too many program crashes and never seem to be fixed. In Vegas 16 it was improved so it crashed LESS and was kind of useful, the random unexpected crashing that ruined notable amount of progress still causes distrust.

> Maxing out USED RAM : yes this is required, but to this day Vegas only supports only 32GB ram. While I have over 64GB that just...sits there!

> Maximum number of rendering threads : Very important, but if you have slow cores (like a threadripper that I have) it still fails to deliver frames in preview fast enough and only while rendering manages to gain a notable benefit...unless you use a non-multithreaded, non-GPU accelerated VFX/SFX etc.(in which case : enjoy the single-task paradime)

>Using SSD for editing : this reduces the latency for picking up files & frames from the file, but haven't tested how much it changes the preview performance or rendering (some early tests didn't yeld more than 5% change)

 

My rig:

CPU : Threadripper 2950x (stock)

Ram : G.Skill trident RGB 3200mhz (small ram timing change 16-18-18-18-30)

GPU : Inno3D 2080Ti (stock)

Used software : Vegas 9-16(current)

Example of my usual footage :
 

General
Complete name               : F:\LV3\2019-11-13 18-19-33-498.mp4
Format                      : MPEG-4
Format profile              : Base Media
Codec ID                    : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                   : 2.41 GiB
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Overall bit rate mode       : Variable
Overall bit rate            : 33.2 Mb/s
Writing application         : Lavf58.20.100

Video
ID                          : 1
Format                      : AVC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile              : Main@L4.2
Format settings             : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC      : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames   : 3 frames
Codec ID                    : avc1
Codec ID/Info               : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                    : 10 min 24 s
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 32.9 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate            : 2 000 kb/s
Width                       : 1 664 pixels
Height                      : 970 pixels
Display aspect ratio        : 1.715
Frame rate mode             : Constant
Frame rate                  : 60.000 FPS
Color space                 : YUV
Chroma subsampling          : 4:2:0
Bit depth                   : 8 bits
Scan type                   : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)          : 0.340
Stream size                 : 2.40 GiB (99%)
Codec configuration box     : avcC

Audio #1
ID                          : 2
Format                      : AAC LC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Duration_LastFrame          : -17 ms
Bit rate mode               : Variable
Bit rate                    : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel layout              : L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                  : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 9.45 MiB (0%)
Default                     : Yes
Alternate group             : 1

Audio #2
ID                          : 3
Format                      : AAC LC
Format/Info                 : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                    : mp4a-40-2
Duration                    : 10 min 25 s
Duration_LastFrame          : -17 ms
Bit rate mode               : Constant
Bit rate                    : 129 kb/s
Channel(s)                  : 2 channels
Channel layout              : L R
Sampling rate               : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                  : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode            : Lossy
Stream size                 : 9.63 MiB (0%)
Default                     : No
Alternate group             : 1

 

2080 Ti is a very powerful card but the problem is that this navida card are hits and miss in Vegas. You are not alone in this problem. They are people that have 2080ti encounter similar problem like your, crash crash or not performing well. I on the other hand have the 1st gen TR running @ 4ghz on all cores with AMD Frontier Edition card that rip thru ALL type medias, pretty much. I never had any problem, including 6K 30P and 8K 60P.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/6k-8k--117832/

 

GH5- 4K & 5K, NX1-4K NX500-1080 60P & 4K, GoPro 7- 4K 60P, FuJi X-T3- 4K 60P, Canon EOS-1080P & EOS R - 4K, Sony FS7- 4K , Pana S1h- 6K, Red Weapon 8K 60P.

 

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Yamiks wrote on 11/16/2019, 2:58 PM

"Width : 1 664 pixels

Height : 970 pixels

Display aspect ratio : 1.715"

Are you capturing non-16x9 windows?

Are your project properties set to match the media?

that one's a bit different, usually run proper 1080p

wwjd wrote on 11/17/2019, 1:02 PM

I try to shut off anything that could TAX anything. Don't really know if it makes a difference anymore, but I sleep better now. :)

PREVIEW simulate device aspect ratio OFF
PREVIEW scale video to fit preview window OFF
OPTIONS > PREF > VIDEO > Thumbnails on clips NONE after I get used to my timeline
Dynamic RAM 0 or 200. I bump to 8000 or 16000 if I start SHIFT-B render testing, but then put it back
I keep project on 8-bit until I go to correct/grade it, then up to 32float