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3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 7:25 AM

Only possible to render your cinemascope project to 3840x2160 mxf with black borders.

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 10:06 AM

Yea, but it is not possible to see the whole picture on 21:9 monitor...

The video is rendered as16:9 and there will be black bars up, down and also on the left and right side on 21:9 monitor.

fr0sty wrote on 1/20/2020, 10:12 AM

Is there any particular reason why you're rendering video that can only be viewed on a particular type of monitor that very few people have? The only way to do the conversion you seek is to throw away pixels and reduce resolution by cropping in on the image.

You should be able to set a custom resolution, though I'm not sure if MXF will support it, maybe try AVC/HEVC.

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3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 10:35 AM

Try Voukoder, renders also other resolutions.

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 10:43 AM

Yes I want it for 2 reasons the first is for 21:9 monitors and the second for cinema screening.

 

Musicvid wrote on 1/20/2020, 11:47 AM

Yea, but it is not possible to see the whole picture on 21:9 monitor...

Then your monitor scaling is set wrong.

The video is rendered as16:9 and there will be black bars up, down and also on the left and right side on 21:9 monitor.

Then your monitor scaling is set wrong.

 

 

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 1:33 PM

Yea, but it is not possible to see the whole picture on 21:9 monitor...

Then your monitor scaling is set wrong.

The video is rendered as16:9 and there will be black bars up, down and also on the left and right side on 21:9 monitor.

Then your monitor scaling is set wrong.

 

 


Maybe I do not understand, because if I play some videos on vimeo that are 2:35:1 they are displayed on the whole monitor space but if I play my video there are black bars on all 4 sides. So I think that it has nothing to do with monitor scaling.

adis-a3097 wrote on 1/20/2020, 1:58 PM

Can't you just use format other than Sony XAVC?

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:11 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

Musicvid wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:12 PM

Unless you rendered with black bars on all four sides, your monitor scaling is set incorrectly.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

 

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:30 PM

Hi there I finally instaled the Voukoder and it works as the final container is mkv.

3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:31 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

That's due the high bitrate of XAVC. I got also really very good results with voukoder (at low bitrates) and it takes 3840x1620 without any extra manipulation.

3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:33 PM

Hi there I finally instaled the Voukoder and it works as the final container is mkv.


Strange my UHDTV takes the Voukoder mp4 without problems.

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:35 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

That's due the high bitrate of XAVC. I got also really very good results with voukoder (at low bitrates) and it takes 3840x1620 without any extra manipulation.

Please, do you think that video rendered with Voukoder to .mkv so the Voukoder preserves the same picture quality as .mxf?

3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:42 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

That's due the high bitrate of XAVC. I got also really very good results with voukoder (at low bitrates) and it takes 3840x1620 without any extra manipulation.

Please, do you think that rendered with Voukoder to .mkv preserves the same picture quality as .mxf?


I don't see a difference between XAVC and a Voukoder render on my UHDTV. If you don't trust the Voukoder quality, you can change the Voukoder template and lower the Constant Rate Factor to 20.0

3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:44 PM

I'm using an older version of Voukoder, no problem to select mp4.

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:49 PM

I'm using an older version of Voukoder, no problem to select mp4.

My Vegas pro 16 does not show mp4, it is trange but I think that .mov and .mkv is as good :-)

 

miroslav-h wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:54 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

That's due the high bitrate of XAVC. I got also really very good results with voukoder (at low bitrates) and it takes 3840x1620 without any extra manipulation.

Please, do you think that rendered with Voukoder to .mkv preserves the same picture quality as .mxf?


I don't see a difference between XAVC and a Voukoder render on my UHDTV. If you don't trust the Voukoder quality, you can change the Voukoder template and lower the Constant Rate Factor to 20.0

Thanx! If I understand well it the lower number means higher quality? So if I go under 20 the quality (bitrate) goes up?

3POINT wrote on 1/20/2020, 2:59 PM

Yes indeed, a lower CRF number means higher quality, higher bitrate and larger files. But, I don't think it makes sense to go lower than 20.

adis-a3097 wrote on 1/20/2020, 4:40 PM

Yes it works with mp4 (it is possible to custom frame size) but xavc seems to me that it offers the highest quality or am I wrong?

That's due the high bitrate of XAVC. I got also really very good results with voukoder (at low bitrates) and it takes 3840x1620 without any extra manipulation.

Please, do you think that rendered with Voukoder to .mkv preserves the same picture quality as .mxf?


I don't see a difference between XAVC and a Voukoder render on my UHDTV. If you don't trust the Voukoder quality, you can change the Voukoder template and lower the Constant Rate Factor to 20.0

Thanx! If I understand well it the lower number means higher quality? So if I go under 20 the quality (bitrate) goes up?

Yes, and if you click on that Pixel format drop-down list you get this:

I somewhere read that BluRay quality is CRF 18. Don't know where, don't take my word for it...

john_dennis wrote on 1/20/2020, 7:39 PM

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"Maybe I do not understand... So I think that it has nothing to do with monitor scaling."

Actually, what you think you want to do has everything to do with monitor scaling or rather the native pixel dimensions of your monitor. You're approaching the problem bassackwards.

I looked at three 21:9 monitors and found the pixel dimensions as follows:

2560 x 1080=2.37:1

3440 x 1440=2.38:1

3840 x 1600=2.40:1

If you want your output video to exactly match your monitor pixel dimensions, then set your Vegas project properties to match your monitor pixel dimensions. (Hint: based on what I learned from my sample of available products, it's not 3840x1620).

Pan/Crop, (if necessary) the events on the timeline to the ratio that mathematically matches your monitor aspect ratio.

Render with the Magix AVC UHD render template using a custom template...

Throw bits at it until you get all the satisfaction that you deserve.

Download these three samples from my Google drive and convince yourself that it can be done.

PS

Never use the word "cinemascope" again.

JJKizak wrote on 1/21/2020, 6:45 AM

The first version of Cinemascope was 2.66 x 1 among many.

JJK

JN- wrote on 1/21/2020, 9:59 AM

@miroslav-h "so I want to render it to the highest quality file (.mxf)". Maybe it is, maybe it isn't?

 

Some Intermediate quality comparisons ...

But there are other formats you can choose from. As JD points out throwing lots of bits at h264 .mp4 will also improve the quality.

See the entry, "CPU Higher Data Rate" in the chart below ...

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john_dennis wrote on 1/21/2020, 10:03 AM

Way more about 21:9 aspect ratios than anyone would ever want to know, but since you have a 21:9 monitor...