It would be really cool if Vegas Pro could integrate Acid Pro or other

John-Foll wrote on 9/25/2020, 9:53 AM

It would be really cool if Vegas Pro could integrate Acid Pro or other DAWS. I see it integrates in with SmartSound® Sonicfire® Pro 6, but I bet Acid Pro is better. You can make quick songs or tracks in Acid Pro. Vegas allows for multiple nested projects - if they could allow an Acid Pro project for a track or Tracks that would be sweet! That would help with synchronizing the video/movie with the music/audio. Magix please think about this idea.I wish Vegas had more MIDI or VST Synth capability. I know I could render a video out and use it in some DAWS to create music or audio for it, then render that to a wav file and then import this wav file back into Vegas. Time consuming. And If you need to make a change to the video or audio - here we go again. Acid Pro was the first product that any company every made that allowed you to quickly make a song, matching BPM per track with minimal artifacts - sometimes not noticeable, especially with drum loops. And it was fun to use. I would like to have the ability of creating music directly in Vegas or as "Edit in Acid Pro" for audio tracks.

I have a lot of cool VST audio fx and some of them can be "animated" by sending VST parameters to them in real time through MIDI or through a VST host. I don't know if Vegas can do this. I haven't seen this. It would be cool if something like "keyframes" for audio could be implemented in Vegas that could be routed to a VST Plugin to modulate it in real time. That way if you are creating a video compositing section or animating video fx or pictures, etc, you could have it synchronized with audio fx changes. Imagine opening up a filter or closing it when certain animations in the video take place - and if you make a change to the video, being able to quickly "tweak" the audo VST fx parameter to get the timing to match or changing a filter, etc would be sweet! Some of my UHe and Native Instruments VST plugins are very cool and can be modulated and changed through VST parameters. Vegas allows you to use MIDI control surfaces or other types - if these could also be used to control the VST audio plugins that would be sweet.

Vegas was originally created to record albums and songs, not video, back when Sonic Foundry owned and first created it. I think that it is stronger than many of the other video editing systems, because it has so much audio power. But it is lacking in the music creation. Vegas' audio processing is one of the reasons why I am still going to use Vegas Pro as my main video editor. That and its integration with Sound Forge - my sound editor of choice - my sound blade/axe. The problem is that Vegas no longer focuses on the audio recording industry - their main focus is the video production industry. Why not combine them both together? It would help the music industry too! Think of a musician wanting to make a music video to play on MTV or YouTube of their music. Having the ability of a seamless integration between Vegas Pro and Acid Pro would be highly desirable!

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D7K wrote on 9/26/2020, 12:36 PM

Umm, spectralayers PRO 7 round trips just fine. So does Samplitude (and you can round trip from Spectralayers to/from Samplitude).

fr0sty wrote on 9/26/2020, 1:21 PM

Sound Forge round trips as well, and is included with VEGAS 18 Pro.

Max-Schuberth wrote on 9/26/2020, 2:32 PM

Hi John, The addition of MIDI and a serious update to the audio engine would be wonderful As a video editor Vegas it's rather good.As a pro audio DAW it's rather...lacking. But I do like your ideas. Cheers

Video_flaneur wrote on 9/26/2020, 9:24 PM

I would love to see Magix consider some sort of integration of Acid with Vegas. In Sony they were part of the same stable but there never seemed to be any serious attempt at tight integration. Now both Acid and Vegas are in the Magix stable there is a real opportunity to create something that is more powerful than the sum of its parts. Round trip editing would be a fairly basic functionality, but a deeper integration would be much more welcome.

Tools like Soundforge are DAWs but not music creation tools. At its heart, Acid is a loop and midi based music creation tool. Being able to more tightly integrate my acid-based compositions/soundtracks with my video editing would save a lot of time and enhance the creative process greatly.

fr0sty wrote on 9/26/2020, 9:31 PM

That, or add improved MIDI and VST3 support so Reason's rack can be used within VEGAS.

John-Foll wrote on 9/27/2020, 10:51 AM

Hi John, The addition of MIDI and a serious update to the audio engine would be wonderful As a video editor Vegas it's rather good.As a pro audio DAW it's rather...lacking. But I do like your ideas. Cheers

I would like to see more features like in Cakewalk Sonar added to it. Sound needs to be animated too, not just video clips or fx. I want to be able to synchronize the sound fx with the video fx. I have a lot of cool VST plugins like Native Instruments Komplete, and KORE2 with KORE1 Controller, and a KeyStation 88 Pro with the midi faders on it, and I own a CamelSpace, Alchemy (which doesn't work in Windows 10 64 bit), and another Camel Audio plug in and if course many of UHe's wonderful plugins, like MFM which you can do some really cool FX in. And I own gobs of VST Synths and FX. And don't forget ABSynth FX -- Wow! Who needs Audio Sound FX libraries, when you can create your own from scratch? Its hard to beat some of the cool sound mangling you can pull off with ABSynth! And forget ABSynth's ubiquetous BigSnorer patch? And Ocean Seagulls. Perfect for some types of movies! Dont forget Reaktor! But alas, you need to be able to modulate VST Parameters or send midi controller message or MIDI notes in order tailor the VST FX sounds in real time. And you need to be able to save them! Why settle for sounds that are not optimized for your movie? Why not create them and then reshape them in real time in the movie? I will also need a good control surface that Vegas works with. I can probably use my KeyStation 88 Pro to do this if I do some setup for it.

frankp wrote on 9/27/2020, 2:54 PM

There was discussion here in the forum about using Propellerhead’s Rewire protocol to integrate Acid Pro within Vegas as a host. I never tried it but i think it can be done by using VST plugins such as energyXT’s Rewire VST. Not an elegant solution but possibly doable.

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John-Foll wrote on 9/28/2020, 12:36 PM

I had a trial version of Reason or one of their products back in the day... maybe when Sonic Foundry used to own Sound Forge and I may have even tried rewire with it or some other program. Seems like there used to be something in Vegas that let you do this, I forget, but I don't see it now or remember what it was. I might just be getting forgetful.

fred-w wrote on 9/29/2020, 2:13 AM

Vegas has very decent audio. I use it for music videos and more normal sound implementation, dialog and so forth. For very special noise reduction, etc., you have a link inside Vegas to an audio application or DAW of your choosing. In my case: Samplitude, and the round trip, out and back in, (after ediding sound file) is without a hitch.

While I can appreciate such a wish, I don't think this really slows down any workflow if one has an audio editor, and there are some free ones (Audacity) that do a good job.

Name a video editor which has better audio that Vegas, (note that I have used Davinci Resolve for years, that is LESS elegant a solution than what Vegas provides, though it shows some promise or potential to be powerful in that department.)....

I have NEVER liked Rewire as any sort of solution to anything. Of course, YMMV.

John-Foll wrote on 9/29/2020, 10:08 AM

Vegas has very decent audio. I use it for music videos and more normal sound implementation, dialog and so forth. For very special noise reduction, etc., you have a link inside Vegas to an audio application or DAW of your choosing. In my case: Samplitude, and the round trip, out and back in, (after ediding sound file) is without a hitch.

While I can appreciate such a wish, I don't think this really slows down any workflow if one has an audio editor, and there are some free ones (Audacity) that do a good job.

Name a video editor which has better audio that Vegas, (note that I have used Davinci Resolve for years, that is LESS elegant a solution than what Vegas provides, though it shows some promise or potential to be powerful in that department.)....

I have NEVER liked Rewire as any sort of solution to anything. Of course, YMMV.

A long time ago I had bought Vegas2 Audio or something like that by Sonic Foundry. For recording Albums and I bought Samplitude Studio or Pro I forget, but I didn't really used Samplitude much, because I liked Vegas Audio better, but I didn't use vegas much then because I wasn't ready to record an album yet. Then I eventually bought Vegas Video (upgraded to it). Vegas has from the beginning audio features needed to record an album. Perhaps this is why it has many useful crossfade features because of its audio beginning? I think you can use a midi control surface to record volume slider fader movements for mixing the audio. Vega Pro is probably better at audio than many of the Video Editing solutions out there because of its audio emphasis beginning. I hope they will add more features to it for audio...It needs it.

fred-w wrote on 9/29/2020, 1:09 PM

Vegas has enough problems with real time video playback w/o adding resource hogging VSTis, IMHO, what do you need that for??? If you want to marry great audio to great video, export to Samplitude a rough mix of your video (Samp has one dedicated video track) and voila! (I'm sure other editors provide same opportunity.)


Magix Music Maker Plus/Premium editions @ $29/$124. both have a video track available. Both offer VSTi/Midi.

I checked Fairlight for Davinci Resolve, thinking they would have that option, but NO, I see no MIDI capability whatsoever.

If you ABSOLUTELY must have some sort of MIDI with Vegas, you could go "Old School" and stripe an audio track with SMPTE with an external SMPTE to MIDI box/converter......I used to do that with syncing MIDI to my reel to reel TEAC recorder.....

 

fred-w wrote on 9/29/2020, 1:31 PM

With some ingenuity, the same thing he's doing with Fairlight/Resolve could be done in Vegas as well, with

John-Foll wrote on 9/30/2020, 10:12 AM

With some ingenuity, the same thing he's doing with Fairlight/Resolve could be done in Vegas as well, with

Interesting. Its possible I may want to try this out to see how well it works. Thanks for presenting it! This allows you to record your audio/synth tracks while watching the video. And after it is recorded Resolve can play it back every time the video replays. Cool. But it is recorded, and if you want to change things again, you have to edit the Reason tracks and replay, recording again into Resolve. I have versions of Sonar that let me have an MP4 track I think, and I can score music to match the video, mix it down to stereo wav file and import this wav file into Vegas. If I need to change the video or song, I must go back and do it again. If I change the video, I must render the vegas project or part of it or the video track I need to mp4 and import into Sonar.

I think I would want to see if I can get ReWire to work with Vegas. I think there used to be a way to do this years ago.

Which is more of a resource Hog? Video FX or VST Sound FX? Video should take up more bandwidth than audio. You can always get the Track with VST Plugins when it is close to being done, re-record it to a standalone audio, then mute the track it came from and import the rendered wav file back in as a new audio track.

I wish Vegas had a "Freeze" option like Sonar has: You know freeze a video track or audio track and render it to video file or .wav file and then play that back. Then if you need to change them, unfreeze it.

Musicvid wrote on 9/30/2020, 10:56 AM

@John-Foll

For background information, see previous discussions here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-14-update-4-build-211--104988/?page=3#ca651824

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/will-vegas-pro-15-have-midi-audio-functionality--107134/

 

fred-w wrote on 9/30/2020, 9:16 PM

With some ingenuity, the same thing he's doing with Fairlight/Resolve could be done in Vegas as well, with

>>>Interesting. Its possible I may want to try this out to see how well it works. Thanks for presenting it! This allows you to record your audio/synth tracks while watching the video. And after it is recorded Resolve can play it back every time the video replays. Cool. But it is recorded, and if you want to change things again, you have to edit the Reason tracks and replay, recording again into Resolve. <<<



I'm saying you can do the same with Vegas, without Resolve (I only show Resolve as an example of the desired process/effect). if you use an internal audio router as I've outline above, the Vienna Ensemble Pro.

https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Vienna_Software_Package/SW-Package_Vienna_Ensemble_PRO#!Product_Info
 

>>>I wish Vegas had a "Freeze" option like Sonar has: You know freeze a video track or audio track and render it to video file or .wav file and then play that back. Then if you need to change them, unfreeze it. <<<

You can "freeze" by using Selective Pre-render, or Render to new track, just solo the tracks you'd desire to "freeze."